Buying Recomendations - Considering SSV, Volcano, HerbalAire, Extreme...

[VapedG13]

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????? :wtf:

ok and your point is...?

all you have to do is play around with it and find what you like...not what it says THC boils at online....granted it can help. its just that the E cant be EXACTLY on target. i have a 2G model, and I get good even vapors at 205C (max temp is 250C)

max temp on 3G units are 260C.

shit hits hard man...I say...FUCK THE VOLCANO!

My point is that any newbie who is unfimiliar with the unit or vaping in general who reads about vaping is told that 365-375*F is perfect temperature for vaping.....

then gets ahold of the extreme and thinks that this vaporizer is shitty because it wont vape on the right temp......

normally 440*F is combustion (smoke) not vapor.....Alot of people complained thats why the extreme was redone by the manufacturer

the entire point of the vaporizer is to avoid combustion...knowing what the temperature at the weed is helps.

[vapefiend]

Mr. Arizer definitely set the clock back as far as educating people on vaping temps. First he sold the first version with no explanation about the display number being heater temp instead of bowl temp, then he increased the confusion by moving the sensor closer to the bowl, not one, but two times. So even though the operational temp never changed, you had to figure out which version you had. Many people are still screwed up on their understanding of true vaping temps.

That said, I'd still recommend the Extreme or herbalAire over the Volcano-less money and you get direct draw plus it's cheaper to make multiple bags. The 'cano probably has an edge in reliability over the Extreme anyway, and you can't beat the resale value. I just can't see spending that much for bag use only. I'm too much of a fan of direct draw. Hitting bags is too boring for me.

[FourTwenty4Life]

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WTF...MORE SPAM!! The fact of the matter is generally you get what you pay for. Volcano is better than any other vaporizer in my opinion. However this is also the opinion of over 60,000 other people (units sold via S&B interview). There is a reason that people don't always suggest it...quite simply the price is too high for some people. Also Storz & Bickel has rules as to how low of a price their new units go for, therefore shops profit more off the cheaper units/vaporizers. YES the Volcano is expensive unless you get it used which is fine cause they're built like tanks. If money is the issue and you're hesitant, just think of how much bud you will conserve, how much more you will get out of your bud, and obviously health reasons . If you want to spend less then go for it but then don't post on here when you have tons of issues. Notice how you don't see any Volcano negative threads? I repeat, you get what you pay for. When other vaporizer companies start running extensive tests, R&D, and published studies then MAYBE I'd consider them.I'm not bashing other vapes but the way I see it, if you use a lot of bud, the Volcano is king and why not go for the best? I've seen first hand... a box whip vape break with regular use when the glass covering the heating element broke off, now unusable. I've also seen a guy who had their Volcano knocked off a 3ft table 3 times in an hour (dog running around) and it worked fine. I can go on and on. There is no other vape with the reputation, performance , sales, scientific proof, and durability than the Volcano ...PERIOD.:hippy::beatdeadhorse::clap::vap_rasta: :vap_smiley: :vap_smiley:

[vapefiend]

There is a reason that people don't always suggest it...quite simply the price is too high for some people.

Here are two more reasons-1)It costs considerably more than you need to pay. 2)It only fills bags. Funny how Volcano fans never mention this rather big drawback vs. the competition. Personally, after sucking bags for a while, I long for some vapor rich hits, and no matter how much you load in the 'cano herb chamber, direct draw always has the potential for a higher vapor/air ratio. You can't get around the physics.

Storz & Bickel has rules as to how low of a price their new units go for, therefore shops profit more off the cheaper units/vaporizers.

Sorry, but you have no way of knowing the profit margins of all the vapes on the market. And as for S&B's rules on a low price, I specifically asked them about a dealer (and warranty status)last year who was selling about $140 below their $539 price. Their answer was that they would absolutely honor the warranty. Also, Volcano Vaporizer Direct has been selling them considerably below the standard price for 5 years now, via the 'special offer' link on his site.

If money is the issue and you're hesitant, just think of how much bud you will conserve

You'll conserve vs. smoking, but vs. other vaporizers the Volcano's nothing special in the efficiency dept.

and obviously health reasons

This is an argument for vapes in general. There are no exclusive health benefits to the Volcano.

If you want to spend less then go for it but then don't post on here when you have tons of issues.

I spent much less on the herbalAire, and after nearly three years, I have had no issues.

Notice how you don't see any Volcano negative threads?

People don't make a habit of starting a thread just to say the 'cano is overpriced, but I've seen that opinion in many posts.

you get what you pay for

That's often true, but with high end products what you get for the extra money isn't always 'value'. If you want a reliable and cost efficient car, you'll always be better off with a Honda or Toyota vs. a high priced but not so reliable or cheap to operate Mercedes or Jaguar. Does a Rolex keep time better than a Timex?

the way I see it, if you use a lot of bud, the Volcano is king and why not go for the best?

If you use a lot, why not go for a vape that's more efficient than the 'cano? The herbalAire is one, as far as direct competition in the bag dept. I won't compare direct draw vapes in efficiency (apples and oranges) but there is one for certain that's much more efficient. The Volcano does not 'rule' in the efficiency dept.

I've seen first hand...

I've seen first hand-a Volcano just quit working. So what? Any vape can break. The Volcano is very reliable, but so are some other good brand names. Your implication that anything but the 'cano will crap out is, IMO, just that-crap.

The only reason I can think of as to why so many Volcano owners have to make these 'justification posts', is to defend the price they paid. The vape market is far different than it was 5 or 10 years ago. A lot of good models are available now. It's not just the 'cano, Vapor Brothers, and some crappy conduction units anymore. The competition is much stiffer now, while all S & B has done is come out with the Digit to jump on the digital bandwagon-$130 more and a year less on the warranty.

The Volcano is an excellent vaporizer, but I've seen quite a few owners get tired of the boring bag, and either sell it and buy a direct draw unit, or simply buy an additional vape to get the vapor rich hits that no bag can provide. I've also seen that the more a person investigates the vaporizer market, the less likely they are to buy a Volcano.

[FourTwenty4Life]

Here are two more reasons-1)It costs considerably more than you need to pay. 2)It only fills bags. Funny how Volcano fans never mention this rather big drawback vs. the competition. Personally, after sucking bags for a while, I long for some vapor rich hits, and no matter how much you load in the 'cano herb chamber, direct draw always has the potential for a higher vapor/air ratio. You can't get around the physics.

Sorry, but you have no way of knowing the profit margins of all the vapes on the market. And as for S&B's rules on a low price, I specifically asked them about a dealer (and warranty status)last year who was selling about $140 below their $539 price. Their answer was that they would absolutely honor the warranty. Also, Volcano Vaporizer Direct has been selling them considerably below the standard price for 5 years now, via the 'special offer' link on his site.

You'll conserve vs. smoking, but vs. other vaporizers the Volcano's nothing special in the efficiency dept.

This is an argument for vapes in general. There are no exclusive health benefits to the Volcano.

I spent much less on the herbalAire, and after nearly three years, I have had no issues.

People don't make a habit of starting a thread just to say the 'cano is overpriced, but I've seen that opinion in many posts.

That's often true, but with high end products what you get for the extra money isn't always 'value'. If you want a reliable and cost efficient car, you'll always be better off with a Honda or Toyota vs. a high priced but not so reliable or cheap to operate Mercedes or Jaguar. Does a Rolex keep time better than a Timex?

If you use a lot, why not go for a vape that's more efficient than the 'cano? The herbalAire is one, as far as direct competition in the bag dept. I won't compare direct draw vapes in efficiency (apples and oranges) but there is one for certain that's much more efficient. The Volcano does not 'rule' in the efficiency dept.

I've seen first hand-a Volcano just quit working. So what? Any vape can break. The Volcano is very reliable, but so are some other good brand names. Your implication that anything but the 'cano will crap out is, IMO, just that-crap.

The only reason I can think of as to why so many Volcano owners have to make these 'justification posts', is to defend the price they paid. The vape market is far different than it was 5 or 10 years ago. A lot of good models are available now. It's not just the 'cano, Vapor Brothers, and some crappy conduction units anymore. The competition is much stiffer now, while all S & B has done is come out with the Digit to jump on the digital bandwagon-$130 more and a year less on the warranty.

The Volcano is an excellent vaporizer, but I've seen quite a few owners get tired of the boring bag, and either sell it and buy a direct draw unit, or simply buy an additional vape to get the vapor rich hits that no bag can provide. I've also seen that the more a person investigates the vaporizer market, the less likely they are to buy a Volcano.

1. It costs more because they have done the most work and research to ensure you're getting the most vapor in the safest manner.

2. No shit it only fills bags. Who wants to sit there and hold some tube while their bud touches some heating element, the residual effects of which have never been tested. Funny how you failed to even once mention anything about how extensively the Volcano has been tested and published and proven whereas your cheaper vaporizers have not so when you say that THIS product or THAT product is better cause it's cheaper...PROVE IT!! Storz & Bickel have.
CCRMG
MAPS/CaNORML vaporizer and waterpipe studies
http://www.cannabis-studyhouse.com/2...al_studies.pdf
Plus studies that S&B independently did in their own R&D. Contact them for information.
Plus I rather walk around the house with my bag while I'm doing stuff rather than be forced to sit there with some tube.

3. I don't know what Volcano you ever vaped from because I get EXTREMELY "vapor rich hits" at the correct temperatures. Temperature settings, quality of bud, how fine its grinded...all things that will affect how much vapor you get in the bag. I can make a 10ft bag if I wanted to. Yeah you have other vapes that have the combo of bag/draw but then we go back to WHERE ARE THE TESTS to prove that nothing else in the manufacturing of that product has any harmful effect on the user. Are you with me so far? Good.:rastasmoke:

4. You're right I don't know all the profit margins on vapes but common sense tells me that people generally like spending less therefore well duhh cheaper vapes will sell more.

5. I NEVER said that S&B wouldn't honor a warranty...????????? Sure other places might offer the Volcano at lower prices but they're most likely doing it against S&B's wishes which isn't good business but yeah no shit they'll honor the warranty.

6. I NEVER said the Volcano's conservation capabilities were superior to any other vape in the "efficiency dept"????

7. There is an "exclusive health benefit"...IT'S BEEN PROVEN.

8. Rolex and Timex comparison...wtf?? Sorry but watches dont go into your bloodstream and effect your body & mind. We are talking about vaporizers.

9. The Volcano isn't overpriced if you buy a used one genius.

10. I NEVER implied that anything but the Volcano would "crap out". My thing is if you are going to stricly vaporize and ONLY vaporize and want the BEST, get a Volcano, even if it's used. If you just want a vaporizer to have a vaporizer, sure get some cheap one, opinions are like a$$holes, everyones got one.

11. You say the competition is stiffer but it's not. The sales speak for themselves. How many other vaporizers have sold over 60,000 to date?? Please tell me.

12. There is a reason that the only upgrade they've had is the Volcano Digit....the Volcano Classic is so damn good that they didn't need to do too much more. Yeah 1 year less on warranty but that's because it's new, obviously is a new design and hasn't been out as long as the Classic so they don't know the lifespan yet but Classics are reliable tanks so I'm sure Digits are just the same. Plus S&B have said in interviews that the next step is something smaller, perhaps more portable. Remember the saying.. IF IT ISN'T BROKEN, DON'T FIX IT.:thumbsup:

13. Once again, I get EXTREMELY "vapor rich hits" from my Volcano. I've owned quite a few box/direct draw and my experience is they are NOT AS GOOD when compared to the quality of my Volcano vapor. That's just me. I'm not saying this as fact or holy scripture man.

14. I think the more a person investigates the vapor market, the more likely they will see how nothing truly stands up to the Volcano yet. Tell you what, once I see a study comparing the vapor densities and complete contents of their draw/bag then I might believe you when you tell me that draw gets more vapor/thc.

To finish, I'll just reiterate and copy/paste lines from my last post that vapefiend failed to mention or put in his post...."However this is also the opinion of over 60,000 other people (units sold via S&B interview).........
When other vaporizer companies start running extensive tests, R&D, and published studies then MAYBE I'd consider them........I'm not bashing other vapes.....There is no other vape with the reputation, performance , sales, scientific proof, and durability than the Volcano ...PERIOD"

In conclusion, I suggest everyone do your own research and get the vaporizer that is RIGHT FOR YOU! For example, as much as I rave about the Volcano, I'm looking into possibly getting a portable vape so I have something for on the road and when I go out. Therefore I will most likely entrust my money to some company that makes a portable vape even though it hasn't been through the same process that the Volcano has. Thus, I'm not excluding other vaporizers from peoples choices. It's just that my opinion and research leads me to the end conclusion that so far, the only proof out there is that the Volcano produces the best, safest vape with a reliable, strong unit. To each their own. I need to vape now....some Northern Lights at 369 farenheit sounds delicious. :hippy:

[FourTwenty4Life]

Damn, didn't get the link in time for edit...

Here is the link to an interview with a person from Storz & Bickel 2 years ago. The interview is based around when the Volcano Digit came out.
http://media.libsyn.com/media/dopecast/Dopecast86.mp3

:hippy:

[FourTwenty4Life]

For the record, I don't work for S&B. I just think they have the best possible way to consume daily marijuana.:hippy:

[VapedG13]

The extreme is still new and has gone through updates since it came on the market(faulty heat sensor placement)... its still untested as far as durability.

I bought my first volcano from ebay used for $350... I have used it daily (left on 12-15 hrs a day) for over 5 years and it still works great.

After you have owned and used the extreme for 5 years and its still working great come talk to me

Hopefully that company/manufacturer will still be around in 5 years... I know storz-bickel will be:thumbsup:

[FourTwenty4Life]

The extreme is still new and has gone through updates since it came on the market(faulty heat sensor placement)... its still untested as far as durability.

I bought my first volcano from ebay used for $350... I have used it daily (left on 12-15 hrs a day) for over 5 years and it still works great.

After you have owned and used the extreme for 5 years and its still working great come talk to me

Hopefully that company/manufacturer will still be around in 5 years... I know storz-bickel will be:thumbsup:

Exactly. I don't plan on ever selling my cano. Time and time again I see people mention other vapes and I'm like, what's that, I never heard of that then I look it up and it usually doesn't impress me. However even years before I vaped, I knew what a Volcano was. You have any portable vapes G13? That, if anything, would be the only addition to my mj accessories I would ever need to buy. :hippy:

Was it you that suggested lower temps on the cano ? I've since taken the advice and my new favorite are 365, 370 is my sweet spot where I might, depending on quality, keep vaping till the end, 374, finish anything else at 385. :hippy:

[VapedG13]

I have the super vapezilla and a inverter in my car :thumbsup: Yep I'm the one telling people to lower the temp for smoother vapes

I recently emailed the people at Storz-Bickel, the company that makes the Volcano. The focus of my communication was to find out their response to the charge that an aluminum heating element verses a ceramic element is dangerous. They wrote:

We understand your concerns regarding possible health risks. However, you do not have to worry:

The heating block of our Volcano reaches a maximum temperature of 250°C which canâ??t cause emissions.

There might only be problems if the aluminium is cutted, melted or welded and the fumes or dusts produced during these industrial processes are inhaled.

This has nothing to do with the normal use of the Volcano. Any risks might only occur if the aluminium alloy would be heated up to much higher temperatures, so that the alloy changes to a liquid or even gaseous physical state.

"Inhalation: Aluminium and aluminium alloys are not generally regarded as industrial toxins. In normal (industrial) use, few health hazards occur. Cutting, melting, or welding may produce dusts or fumes containing the component elements and their oxides. Breathing these dust or fumes may present potentially significant health hazards." In order to avoid any possible risks we have put a lot of care into the choice of the special aluminium alloy we use for our Volcanoâ??s.

The high-quality alloy (ALMgSi1,0) contains no problematic metals such as copper and lead.

With kind regards

i.A. Nicole Richter

Storz & Bickel GmbH & Co.KG
Rote StraÃ?e 1
D - 78532 Tuttlingen