in response to a couple questions: my County defines 'mature' vs 'immature' as the point at which sex can be determined, your county may differ ... in regard to these issues of plant count, etc., there is NO mention of plant limits in Prop. 215 (recently upheld in court), and, in fact, California's Amendment 420 allows the doctor to set your amounts, rendering the Counties' plant-count unlawful (my advice, play it safe - stay within your County's limits, it takes LOTS of money to argue in court) ... :smokin: