Contradictions! Seriously - WTF!?

[psychocat]

I think what can be annoying for some folks is the assumption by some that they are in possesion of some "special" information. Claims of "best ever" and "the only way" are arrogant and presumptious and should be treat with mild disdain ..
Nature and enviroment can vary massively and often the only way forward is trial and error , what works for one won't work for all.

[SnSstealth]

I think what can be annoying for some folks is the assumption by some that they are in possesion of some "special" information. Claims of "best ever" and "the only way" are arrogant and presumptious and should be treat with mild disdain ..
Nature and enviroment can vary massively and often the only way forward is trial and error , what works for one won't work for all.

What he said....

There are 25 different ways to do something...And in growing this lovely plant, there really are very few WRONG ways...If someone said something worked for them, and they have a log showing it, well, it probably works! Like everyone on here keeps saying, this site and all us posting, are to help each other...kinda weird getting upset because you dont know which way you wanna go isn't it? Soil, Hydro, Organic, Chemical...many differnet ways, all "right"...Lil high strung for a stoner aren't ya?
whiskeytango
:joint1:

[Forwhat420]

Remember he hasn't been smoking....

[JaySin]

I agree with the OP. I am still a noob to this growing thing, and I have found that many people will get a hair up their ass if you take a method and want to change it a little. It seems like so many people are scared to experiment. Maybe cause it takes so long to produce a crop? They just want to use what they know works so they don't have a bad yeild is my guess.

[khronik]

I've noticed with any forum, there tends to exist a little bit of group-think. Certain things tend to become accepted as true, even if they aren't entirely true or need to be elaborated with more information.

For instance, last year some guy was growing a plant in his yard, but it was starting to get higher than his fence and he didn't want his neighbors to see. He wanted to top it, but everyone here told him, no topping is bad, use LST (despite the fact that the plant was like 5 feet tall!). So he bent the thing over and cracked the stem. Coincidentally, there was a rainstorm the day before, and his yard was really wet. The plant got all wilted and dead within a day or two, and the people here told him that it must have been all that water that killed his plant. Duh, he cracked the stem! True, topping CAN negatively affect yields a little bit, and too much water will stunt your plant's growth, but too much water will not make your plant wilt up and die in a day like that.

So while there was a grain of truth in the advice he was given, the people who responded had their priorities all screwed up and ended up getting the guy to kill his plant. He would have been better off if he had topped it like he was planning to.

So I guess the moral of this story is, take free advice with a grain of salt, especially if it comes from a bunch of stoners on the internet.

[texas grass]

he ony thig about contradictions is we are working with living nature. and all living nature is different. no 2 thing alike period. you cant have 2 exactly same plants from seed only similar plants. so since no 2 plants are alike(unless cloning) they all take different amounts of everything.
get used to growing the same strain and youll perfect it. if i say i can feed my widow with x amount of nutes and you try that with your widow you might burn it cause she cant take much nutes.
get it.

[Weedhound]

This is an extremely interesting thread. The starter of it doesn't really seem to understand the difference between growing to the best of your ability and just plain "growing." Sure, any goober can take a cfl and some soil from the back yard and grow a joint or two. Whoppee!! Not hard.....and you don't really need internet to do it or a website or even more than a garden book or two.

I've never once said my way is the "only way." However, i've put a LOT of time, energy, $$ etc into growing and feel that my experiences are (most likely) a little more on target than the guy with the mirror and regular light bulb.

Sure there are a lot of people that call that "growing." And folks who WANT to grow as cheaply and ghetto as possible.....feel free.....no one is stopping you.

What MY RANT IS is this: To those who don't want to put the $$, time, energy ETC into their grow do NOT come asking how to fix the mess you've made once it all crashes (which is why you were most likely warned not to do it that way in the beginning....).....cheaply and without much effort on your part. If you can't make it a priority to make growing your meds important then why in the world would I spend my time and energy fixing it for you?

Latewoood said it...if you go cheap; you grow cheap. You're very free to do so.....just don't expect the "experts" to pinpoint, clean up, and then fix your mess.

End of rant.

[Weedhound]

There are plenty of others, and they run the whole gamut from virtually unmoderated forums or forums where the moderation staff does not care about accuracy of information, to sites where accuracy is number one (like this one). You will find that there is an inverse relationship between the collective EXPERIENCE of a site's members, and the TOLERANCE of those members for the posting of incorrect information.

When you find a site where the members understand that growing plants is a SCIENCE, not a matter of opinion, you will find a place where fact is fact, and help is helpful. You've found one here, if you choose to take advantage of it. There are as any styles of growing as there are growers, but %reflectivity numbers are a quantifiable amount and not open to interpretation.

PREACH IT SISTER! AMEN!! :thumbsup:

[PottyBear]

Wow again.

First off, I do believe I mentioned MORE THAN ONCE that the people here generally had their shit together and rarely got their Fruit of the Looms all wadded up when someone did something different. Yet, I have read more than one message that more than suggests that in fact, SEVERAL people got their Fruit of the Looms all wadded up because I was critical of THE ENTIRE STATE OF AFFAIRS over the whole web - NOT THIS SITE.

I know - you're a bunch of stoners, I should not expect much in the way of comprehension, right?

The point is, was, and always will be, that there are people who do NOT understand the keep it simple, and keep it inexpensive concept that the person growing one or two plants needs to follow. Most of the basics are strictly common sense, yet there are people that set up their own site and actually seem to preach AGAINST common sense.

What would be nice is that if I was looking up information about what temperature to grow at, or how much light a couple of plants need, or how moist the soil needs to be to grow in a pot that the answers be somehow approximately the same. That is simply not the case.

I've pretty much stuck with what I have heard here for the most part. Yes, there are people with some absolutely bizarre ideas of how and why some things are done, but most of them also seem to be people who looked at one single dubious source of information and somehow decided that was the only way. And there are a few people here who have said, "I don't know why x is done this way, I just do it" which is what later leads to those bizarre ideas being reproduced due to this little www game that strongly resembles broken telephone.

If people want to slag me and yap like I somehow personally insulted you or this site directly, knock yourself out. That's your prerogative - even if you are way out of line.

I stand by the original concept of this thread.

Contradictions suck. If I need to know if I should buy a fan or not because my grow space is running at 90°F, I'd like some kind of direct answer that makes sense and so would most other new people. If I need to know how deep to transplant my seedlings, I'd like to know how deep my seedlings can go in soil and not get a lecture on something about more lights blah blah spend $400 blah blah from growyourownstinkyassmaryjane.com. And if I get one more answer that sounds like an adult protective undergarment when I ask a specific question with specific details, I'm going to have to hit someone with some fish emulsion.

For all you long-time people, as a noob at this but an internet user for 15 years and a BBS user for 10 years before that, I'll tell you a couple of things about THIS site:

1) Stickies work. Fantastic info.

2) Search SUCKS. And I mean SUCKS sucks. It sucks so hard it almost starts to blow. Any search which gives you any more than 5 threads to read is POINTLESS. Most searches for pertinent information give you dozens of threads including hundreds of messages, or nothing at all. Do YOU have 3 hours to weed through that many posts? No? What are you trying to do, haze the newbies?

3) Giving a 5 word answer and then a 2 paragraph lecture on what someone SHOULD have done rather than ask their question ain't friendly, welcoming behaviour. FYI, this didn't happen to me - but I saw it several times using the aforementioned SEARCH function.

4) You've had X years to sort the BS from the truth, so for you it is easy. Newbies have had 0 years, and everything sounds true because you have NO idea how to weight things. Some have forgotten what it was like to have 0 grows of experience. SOME, NOT ALL, so don't start on me again about how "you're doing your best" - if you are doing your best to help, I am not talking to you, am I? Those who have forgotten know EXACTLY who they are. When I trained people to use computers, I never treated anyone I was teaching like that. Ignorance is not the same as stupid.

I didn't expect to get some of the kinds of responses I got. I thought I made it clear that the contradictions were all over the www. Now, instead of being able to get something harmlessly off my chest I feel like a few people are acting like I am some kind of ungrateful prick.

That ain't real friendly, neither...

[psychocat]

What MY RANT IS is this: To those who don't want to put the $$, time, energy ETC into their grow do NOT come asking how to fix the mess you've made once it all crashes (which is why you were most likely warned not to do it that way in the beginning....).....cheaply and without much effort on your part. If you can't make it a priority to make growing your meds important then why in the world would I spend my time and energy fixing it for you?

Latewoood said it...if you go cheap; you grow cheap. You're very free to do so.....just don't expect the "experts" to pinpoint, clean up, and then fix your mess.

End of rant.

Throwing money at a grow will not make it better , only solid knowledge will.
The most expensive is not always the best.
All information on growing is gathered in the same way Trial and error.
Everyone started with zero knowledge and it can be a slow laborious process to seperate the gems from the dross.
Contradictions are everywhere and unless there is a majority concensus it can be incredibly difficult to know who speaks the truth.

The more complex you make something the bigger the chances of errors.
KISS is IMO the best.
Keep It Simple Stupid .