Contradictions! Seriously - WTF!?

[stinkyattic]

...and the other half start by pawning their television, xbox and guitar in order to have to cash to buy some monstrosity of a light

What? That's a bad thing to encourage? (Says the chick who hasn't owned a TV in years and whose last game system was a Super NES)

[SnSstealth]

Someone really pissed you off huh. You wanna grow cheap? Then grow cheap! My first grow was miracle grow, and a hand me down 600HPS. My circulation was a fan that i moved around...thats it....If you are growing for just you, a few 23w CFLs will do the trick...Is this gonna be a rant thread? Or are you gonna log your grow?
whiskeytango


you managed to get stinky's attention, so while you got her, I would ask anything you need to know...She is one of the most knowledgeable growers I have met...or typed to....lol
:joint1:

[Melskid]

Still can't find my camera wires to hook up to the computer sooner or later I'll figure out how to write a grow log also. I'm still learning how to use my computer. Best thing to do in my uninformed opinion is to move to Ca and just grow em outside I got 28ounces from two plants last year. I bought my procyon from reading SNS' site but with the reception I get for not knowing the supposed rules was startling to say the least. Keep up the good fight and keep the home fires burning

[stinkyattic]

Just for future reference, the 'supposed rules' are in fact a sticky at the top of the 'Grow Log' forum section. You can't get banned for it, but it's considered poor form.

http://boards.cannabis.com/grow-log/...grow-logs.html

[PottyBear]

Someone really pissed you off huh. You wanna grow cheap? Then grow cheap! My first grow was miracle grow, and a hand me down 600HPS. My circulation was a fan that i moved around...thats it....If you are growing for just you, a few 23w CFLs will do the trick...Is this gonna be a rant thread? Or are you gonna log your grow?
whiskeytango

you managed to get stinky's attention, so while you got her, I would ask anything you need to know...She is one of the most knowledgeable growers I have met...or typed to....lol
:joint1:

I have felt very privileged to read many of stinky's how-tos and pieces of advice. They are great, and I appreciate the tidbits I get from her info more than full-blown how-tos that I have seen in 90% of the other online "guides". I'm not sure I have a lot more questions, she's put most everything I need out there already.

And it isn't "someone" who pissed me off... it is the whole thing in general. We're trying to do this for some medicine for my illness, which causes me to have extreme fatigue and pain. The more I read, the more exhausted I get because it doesn't matter if I move my body or use my brain, it all uses up energy I don't have. I want medicine so I can have enough energy to deal with my own OUTDOOR gardens instead of staying in bed... and instead I'm using it all up on this indoor planting of just a few seeds. The wife was originally going to grow these seeds for me - she ordered them and everything, but after reading so much contradictory info she didn't know what to do. Since I am the "lead gardener" in this house, so to speak, it fell to me to figure out why different people say completely different things for something that is relatively basic for most beginners. Her big conspiracy theory is that people are making it sound complicated so you won't want to grow yourself, you'll have to buy it from them.

Yes... this is a rant thread! My grow log is in the grow logs section. I have 4x27W 6500K CFL bulbs shining down on my little semi-retarded-looking seedlings right now as we speak. And EVERY time I try and find some little specific morsel of info so I feel like I know what I am doing, I have to wade hip-deep into the sewage pond on the WWW in order to retrieve that little tiny gem of truth. It's smelly, tiring, time-consuming and frustrating. Well, except maybe the smelly part (sniffing armpits). Nope, not actually smelly... yet.

No matter what it is, I tend to lose it when someone tries to push some product of some kind on you claiming it is the perfect solution to your woes. Pile on top of that the number of people with opposing views for something as simple as growing a plant and you have a recipe for me pulling a Linda Blair routine.

This site is the one site where it seemed like the "you can't do that" - "yes you can" crap was at a minimum (still exists, but it is much, much less than most forums) and so I signed up so I could post. Doesn't mean I'm not still experiencing things in my google web searches that make me spew pea soup while my head spins around.

Like I said in the title of the post:

Whiskey.
Tango.
Foxtrot.

[SnSstealth]

then rant on!!!.....lol. I'll find your grow log and add some more non sense advice for ya:jointsmile: It can be quite un nerving at times growing, hell, I have been growing for years....and STILL have issues. The grow before this one I lost 24 plants...ended up being over-watering and off Ph I believe...So while this site can be too overwhelming at times....it can save ya:greenthumb:
whiskeytango

[khronik]

Yeah, I came to the same conclusion when I started researching indoor growing. I think a lot of these people are getting their information from the big hydro growers, then extrapolating it to small, personal growers. Along the way, priority gets ignored, and some information that can safely be disregarded ends up being accepted as gospel.

Personally, I've found that good weed can be grown at much higher temperatures than most people recommend. I had a plant last year that was almost always above 100 degrees, but it gave me 3 ounces of seedless bud. I've also found that copious amounts of dirt do wonders to your plants' stress tolerance. After all, in the wild they grow on a ball of it that's 8000 miles across. 18-gallon Rubbermaid storage containers work well. Also, plants in the wild grow next to other plants, so I plant 2-4 plants per storage container. They don't seem to mind, and I think it helps to give them a broader root base.

My entire setup cost about $300 including a 400-watt HPS light, but doing it a second time I think I could probably trim $50 to $100 off the cost. I get about 3-4 ounces per grow, which is far more than I can smoke. But I like growing so the weed just keeps piling up.

[killerweed420]

If there is one fact you can rely on is everybodies grows are different. Different strains, different lights, different nutes different enviormental conditions. There is a simple truth. Start simple, build your own experience and take pride in what you are doing. No weed is going ro be as good as your own home grown weed.:jointsmile:

[bluntwiz]

damn... someone is going off on a tangent here... most people on this forum are noobs or have been noobs once upon a time. its a given that you will find inconsistent information about growing on the web, that happens with most info posted on the web. everybody gives their own opinion here and their opinion isnt 100% accurate most of the time, thats a given.

i myself am really thankful for having internet including access to this forum because it helped me out ALOT when i first started growing and still helps me when i have doubts about something. of course, i ran across some unaccurate info, but that is why i ask questions or read the "stickies" which are usually very accurate.

so please, instead of ranting and raving about inconsistent information, just use your common sense and pick out the threads that make the most sense to you (ie: cheap grows or whatever suits your fancy).

im sorry, but it really makes me mad to read these kinda posts especially when most people here and trying to help.

[TheMetal1]

just use your common sense and pick out the threads that make the most sense to you.

I think that sums it up nicely. :thumbsup:

OP... you can't have it both ways. It's either you want:
- ONE single person dishing out "supposed," expert opinion... with either references of studies that represent other peoples experience (which may or may not be manipulated to sway popular belief on the topic)

or...

-The ACTUAL testimony of those people that the "experts," say they represent? (who have far less potential for financial gain through endorsing particular methods or products)

Internet forums, in general, are set up for the member to have access to a variety of information... NONE of which should EVER be considered EXPERT opinion, unless further testimony from other members proves that the information is accurate and effective (forget about the REP system. Look for members vouching for the results experienced with the given advice.) Doctors... Scientist... ALL PROFESSIONALS.... are at a far greater risk of being convinced/corrupted into presenting research in a favorable way to benefit a private interest. A downfall to this design is that you DO run the risk of receiving poor information and you may lose money/time/energy because of that... ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK!

Rules of thumbs...
- Do not participate in an activity that you, or your partner, do not have the time/energy to be active in.
- Do not purchase any items that you can not afford. This does not solely include items you will spend your LAST $50 on. It also applies to items that will leave you with a limited amount of money until the next pay day (shit does happen and you may need that money you just spent the other day on new soil)
- Do not base your absolute judgement on ANYTHING you find online. (This forum is fairly active all hours of the day. So if you have a specific question... explain to people that you suffer from symptoms and lack the computer know-how to research the info in-depth. Once you receive an update, verify and ask further questions/seek visual results/ get 3-4 additional responses THEN you can BEGIN to reach a conclusion)
- HAVE FUN WITH IT!! It can be stressful... it can be dangerous... but it can be a seriously satisfying and enjoyable experience. It is also a SCIENCE! You should never expect to be an expert on anything that you have no experience at. I assure you that it WILL get easier. And once you're there... YOU'RE THERE!! :thumbsup: You will encounter problems in the future... but you should know that from LIFE.

I hope you haven't been too worked up because of all this... if there is anything that this site is designed for, in my opinion, it is NOT anger/stress/discouragement. It's all to help. We aren't perfect either... we just do our best :hippy:

Stay and Keep :jointsmile: