Varietys The Spice Of Life

[xcrispi]

Hey folks , it's been a while .
I haven't had the time , nor the motivation to care for the usual DWC / Drip hybrid system we usually run . Kinda tired of the long long flowering time of 16-20 oz. phat girls anyways . Can't smoke all that wood that comes along w/ those grows either . Yep Stinky , I listened . I've been quite envious of the selection / variety you've got too .

"Short Version"
We added a 1000w hps. and cooltube to the room since last time . 3000w and 435,000 lumen now . Temps peak at 88-90 degrees now though so hydro w/ 3000w is out of the question .

3 gal. pots . containing
1 gal. Ocean Forest
1 gal. Happy Frog
16 oz. worm castings
1/2 gal. pearlite
3 Tbl. Sp. Hydrated lime
And topped off w/ Pro Mix <- gotta get rid of this peat moss crap somehow .

Nutes are Latewoods recipe full strength every third watering once they were ready + KoolBloom and Sucanat late in flower .

We poped a whole mess of strains .

White Widow
White Rhino
White Berry
Power Plant
Master Kush
Cotton Candy
Sour n/l x Nevilles Haze
The Church
Dutch Dragon
Menage A Trois = Dreamweaver / GodBud x Cinimon
Local Indica Bag Seed
N.C.D.G - all males
Brainstorm - D.O.A

Most are 10 week or less strains . We went 10.5 weeks on almost all of them . We ended up w/ 17 good plants .

No time for sweet pics. yet . Maybe after it's dried and cured .

The purple plant is 1 of my favorites = Menage A Trois from Mist of Destruction . The other is Dutch Dragon from Paradise Seed Co.

Also a word of warning to VaporTek users . The lil green light on them is enough to cause veg. growth and hermies . Cover it up if you buy 1 . 1 CottonCandy stretched like hell from it , and 1 PowerPlant hermied from it .

Peace Folks
Xcrispi -n- Juicy J :jointsmile:

xcrispi Reviewed by xcrispi on 07-17-2008. Varietys The Spice Of Life Hey folks , it's been a while . I haven't had the time , nor the motivation to care for the usual DWC / Drip hybrid system we usually run . Kinda tired of the long long flowering time of 16-20 oz. phat girls anyways . Can't smoke all that wood that comes along w/ those grows either . Yep Stinky , I listened ;) . I've been quite envious of the selection / variety you've got too . "Short Version" We added a 1000w hps. and cooltube to the room since last time . 3000w Rating: 5

[keeko]

:clap: looking great.........how was the stretch on the sour nl x nh?

[Shovelhandle]

nice photos

[stinkyattic]

Outstanding as usual!
88-90'F... *cough* CO2 *cough*

[xcrispi]

Outstanding as usual!
88-90'F... *cough* CO2 *cough*

GMTA Sis.
I already started looking into the options .

Burner -vs- Tank / Reg .

Costs .

Hazzards of each .

Longevity of Co2 vs LP ?

Dif controls and manufacturers .

As much as it spooks me , A burner / LP might fit our situation a lil better . We're at Home Cheapo 5 days a week = easy to swap LP tanks . All the gearhead friends would ask questions at the welding supply store about all the Co2 tanks , and they're not open on the weekends either .

Rhizome / or anyone else for that matter - Whats your take on all the basic Systems , controllers avalible ? The 40% increase in yield claims I'm seeing are prob. hogwash like the savings claims of a didi-ballast I bet ? I've only seen 1 person here lately playin w/ Co2 .

Next batch are already started too .
1 Brainstorm
1 White Widow
1 White Rhino
1 CottonCandy
1 Dutch Dragon
1 Power Plant
1 White Berry
10 N.C.D.G
10 Local Ind. -AKA- Drool

Later all
Crispi :stoned:

[rhizome]

Costs .

Used tank will run about $50, new about $175. Solenoid valve and flow meter combo will run about $150. Fills on a 20# about $20.

Single orifice burner @ ~400, scaling up to ~1200 for a commercial unit. Can't imagine a PS garden needing more than one orifice . ( Pauses for giggles). What's an LP tank cost these days, like $30? I know I pay $6 to refill a grill tank.

You can control either system with-

-A cheap 15min interval timer ~15
-A decent digi timer ~20
-A cycle timer (analog) ~110
-Cycle timer (digital) ~150
-A ppm controller ~450 and up

Hazzards of each .

Well, w/ the tank the hazards are pretty much flooding the room w/ unregulated gas, and dropping the tank on yer foot/lap. I guess theoretically you could snap off the valve stem, but it's only 800psi, so it won't go off and do the rocket thing like an o2 tank.
Big danger is tank discharging accidentally, displacing air/02 in an enclosed space and causing suffocation. You'd need a very tight room, and to be leaking the volume of the room in co2 over a short period of time to do this, but it's possible. ( Guy I knew died this way w/ a tank of NO2.) If you don't sleep in yer room, I wouldn't worry about it.
And, obviously, all the compressed gas stuff- standard cautions.

W/ a burner, you have a lot of the same issues, plus the presence of an open flame in the grow. LP goes gaseous @ well below atmospheric pressure, has same leak factors, flammable gas, yada yada- but you usually catch leaks, because you can smell em. Modern burners have electronic ignition, so the pilot flame is no longer an issue. Installed by a competant person who has read and followed the installation instructions, and has a reasonable understanding of how to not catch shit on fire, and checks for complete combustion on a regular basis- I'd say the risk is about nil.
Again, you could drop the tank on your foot/lap.

Combustion CO2 has a co-generate of water vapor, and throws a little heat. Not a hazard, just a management issue. That, and the set-up cost, are why I'd rec a tank system for a small (6x6/under) room and a burner for a larger room.

Be aware that higher atmo co2 levels can cause pH drop, esp in a DWC rig- again, management.

Longevity of Co2 vs LP ?

Either way, delivery gear will last a lifetime, control gear less so. I don't remember the CO2 yeild ratio for LP, but I wanna say it's right around 50%, so 40# of propane will last about as long as 20# of gas. Check my math on that, though.

Dif controls and manufacturers .

See list above. Right now I think the Sentinal stuff is the best bang/buck in the market, but YMMV. I don't trust the CAP stuff for this application- I know of one ppm-1 that stuck on and cooked the paint off of a burner. Long time ago, but scary...

As much as it spooks me , A burner / LP might fit our situation a lil better . We're at Home Cheapo 5 days a week = easy to swap LP tanks . All the gearhead friends would ask questions at the welding supply store about all the Co2 tanks , and they're not open on the weekends either .

Well, there's your answer. Ya just grill three meals a day
Don't let it spook ya- yer not an idiot.

Rhizome / or anyone else for that matter - Whats your take on all the basic Systems , controllers avalible ? The 40% increase in yield claims I'm seeing are prob. hogwash like the savings claims of a didi-ballast I bet ? I've only seen 1 person here lately playin w/ Co2 .

You'll be freakin amazed what juicing a well tuned room can do. Think Nitrous- car's not running well, it won't go all that fast... Car's got a good mechanical tune and is running @ good effieciency already, and ya bleed in a little nitrous...yummy.

I've yet to see somebody introduce CO2 to a well tuned room and not have to tie the first run down off the lights. But if yer not already tuned, you get bupkus.

Think about how a dramatically increased growth rate is going to affect your process, and that should tell you if gas is something you want to play with.

It is possible to g(r)o(w) too fast.

[NaughtyDreadz]

Outstanding as usual!
88-90'F... *cough* CO2 *cough*

man I got the saaaaame problems...... just too much of a noob still...

[SnSstealth]

lovely pics....and even more envious of the selection:greenthumb:
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[Dutch Pimp]

I always enjoy xcrispi pic's....:rastabanna:...eye candy...:thumbsup:

[Markass]

Another round of crispi's creations...

Election in Nov. bro...going to be med state #13

Stinky and rhizome you guys better watch that peer pressure, you're gonna get him to do it sooner or later :stoned: