I've stayed off the boards up until recently due to events here on canna dot com that just left a bad taste in my mouth. Now that I've had time to lick my wounds and think the situation over I think I'm ready to actively participate again.

Here we go:

Quote Originally Posted by birdgirl73
You know what? If y'all aren't perceptive enough to be aware that war circumstances change practically daily, then this isn't a debatable or even discussable subject till you are."
This was kind of a harsh statement I thought. You are right war circumstances do change practically every day. What does not change is your ability to have the foresight needed to successfully put a plan into action and even moreso the ability to see your plan to fruition. Obama's lack of foresight on the surge has left him backpeddling and insisting that he was still right; while at the same time now trying to adopt this for his own.

While the adoption of a practice that's proven to work is really something that should be praised.. his political experience and ability to properly assess a situation/plan have given us a picture of a Presidential Candidate who is obviously lacking the most essential of leadership skills. That is debatable and that is discussable. :thumbsup:

Afghanistan is an increasingly complicated problem that is blowing up in front of us with each increasing week. Iraq has throttled back somewhat for now but is probably just going through a lull. If there's one thing I want, it's a leader with enough awareness to realize that positions will have to change as circumstances do. That's what military strategy is all about.
you're right again, Afghanistan is a complicated problem and to be honest we should have finished there before we went into Iraq. However what has happened, what should of happened and what will happen are all different things so it's pointless to even discuss that. What is important now is that we're in Iraq... and what's important now is that we don't lose focus again like we did in Afghanistan. If there's one thing I want it's a leader who realizes that circumstances will change but has enough common sense that we can't leave a job half finished and furthermore that we shouldn't split our attention.

So I ask you, even though we are in agreement that Afghanistan is an issue.. Why do you seemingly want to create the same situation in Iraq by leaving it an incomplete job? In this situation I don't understand your need to reference Afghanistan aside to point out the obvious that we failed to clean up our mess there. Which again is irrelevant at this point. If we go back into afghanistan now then Iraq will just fall prey to a similar fate.

Look at Russia/Afghanistan and the aftermath that we see today. :wtf:

You've tolerated this ability under the right-leaning leadership of Bush and in the circumstantially affected positions of McCain, which haven't been static, either, yet you read sinister import into it when Obama reacts in similar fashion. That is the classic definition of short-sighted partisan cluelessness in you, not anything lacking in the candidate himself.
Pot calling the kettle black anyone? Where are your anti-obama posts? . Being that we're human doesn't it seem natural to you that we're going to have our opinions and judgements of others? Maybe you haven't read enough posts by P4B, although I doubt that to be true, but if you've read enough posts from P4B you would know that he's not really a fan of McCain either but prefers him over Obama. This part of your post just seems to be a deliberate attack that really has no bearing on the subject of this thread.

To have a completely static, flat approach in the face of developing, changing war circumstances would be folly indeed.
Indeed it would be a folly, but an even greater folly which we've already commited once would be to leave a job unfinished and leaving a nation who is unprepared to fend for themselves after we've gone in there and wreaked havoc. I would prefer that my country not make the same mistake Twice.

But that's just me. :stoned: