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Very well said nomorenarcs, i couldn't agree with you more on everything you said.

[phillykid420]

Nomorenarcs, you seem to have made a bunch of assumptions. That I live in gilded halls on a golden throne of trust funds and wealth. I live in a predominantly black low income area much closer to the projects than the wealthy side of the city. I was making 25K, barely enough to pay my bills and loans and am currently unemployed and not taking unemployment by choice. (the state should be spending it's money on folks who would have a harder time finding employment than me, and it was my responsibility to save money to deal with times of hardship). My pops passed at 20 yrs old so I support myself and my mom so this idea that I grew up with a silver spoon is just a wrong assumption. I worked in college too, I washed dishes on campus for minimum wage and later on I tutored other students through the university.

And who says I don't care about poor people? I believe that people need to take care of their community, but I don't believe it's the governments perogative to force it on people and I believe that the government isn't always fiscally responsible so I put it on the individuals in society to take care of their society rather than some large entity who doesn't always see what needs to be done. I do donate, and I do volunteer but that is my choice and should always remain MY choice and not the government's choice. My mom works for a buddhist organization that does volunteer work in the US and abroad (making near minimum wage). My sister has been to Thailand, India and China doing volunteer work and is going into social work when she could have become a doctor and made much more. My dad was a doctor (self employed) and if someone came in and couldn't afford the cost of medical services or someone needed him on Sunday when his office was closed he'd take care of them and let them pay when they could. I want the impetus put on individuals to take care of their own communities rather than have a large overbearing federal government allocate our money.

And I'm sure the US military went into Iraq with the express goal of killing babies. That's a bit of emotional rhetoric that sounds good but is nonsense. The sanctions that the entire UN agreed on has killed over 500,000 kids and over 1 million in total, that would have continued under Saddam's regime.

I am simply of the opinion that people earn money and should be allowed to do what they wish with it. Nobody has the right to tell you what to do with your money. If I'm working over 60 hours a week to earn 25K-35K than I should decide what to do with it.

And that doesn't mean no taxes, and no programs to help those in need. Less taxes mean more people especially the middle class take home more money, so they can have the opportunity to invest that money (or spend it) thus causing economic growth. This provides more jobs so folks that want to work can work. One of the problems with the US is that we outsource way too much labor we need to provide an atmosphere where folks who want work can get work, and when they get work they should take home more money so they can invest it and build a fiscal foundation that grows. And it goes back to having a market based on competition. I want to own my own pharmacy one day and I'll have healthcare, child care, decent wages but that will be my choice to provide it because then I can have a larger pool of applicants and can pick the best qualified individuals to fill the positions I need filled.

The role of the government isn't to spend my money, they should create laws and enforce fair labor practices.

I spent years in a university as well, I spent a portion of my loan money to buy the reduced cost health insurance that all the students could get. And yeah it meant I didn't have as much pocket money but thats a sacrifice I had to make for insurance.

So if I'm just a middle class guy working long hours for a decent but not exorbitant wage and I send my kid to private school to give him an advantage so he can earn more then I have to also pay for public schools which I'm not using. That makes private school less asscessible to those who don't have very high wages, it keeps middle class kids out of private schools which tend to have better teachers since the teachers are paid more due to the school being private.



You speak a lot of rhetoric but the quality of living is roughly equal between our nations, and the life expectancy is approximately equal as well. So your assertion that we have poor babies dying by the thousands is again, just emotional rhetoric with no factual basis behind it.

Yeah I'm right wing lol. I'm an economic conservative but socially I support gay rights, affirmative action, better welfare (not more money spent on it but rather better programs). I'm in favor of less religion, sensible drug policy reform and a lot of other "left wing" agendas. But when it comes to the economy I think the government does more harm than good, the free market balances itself out through supply and demand models so I argue that less gov't interference in the economy makes a stronger less costly economy.

[4252]

When you're old, you get to learn from mistakes.

I remember Abbie Hoffman, H. Rap Brown, Angela Davis, etc. They were full of shit.

Get your facts straight before you start screaming "Power to the People".

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[phillykid420]

Your assertion that I don't see the poor just isn't factual, just cause you took a semester of social work is makes you an expert? I live among them. And some people around my way spend their money on "hot rims" for their new car rather than on truly important things like making sure their family is well taken care of.

I'm not trying to help the elites of american society grab up more stupid tvs for their escalade, I'm trying to help the middle class be able to afford investing some money so that they don't have crappy retirements and they can build a solid financial base. These are the folks making 25-60K and so much money goes to taxes and other expenses that they can't invest, not even into their own Roth IRA.

You cannot get around the point that both the US and Canada is heading into some hard times in terms of health care costs. We are accelerated due to having 270 million more people but Canada is also facing the rising cost of health care. The current status can't stand forever unless more people are employeed and the economy grows so more folks are self sufficient and can pay for their own health care costs.

"I think the only thing you should need to go to school is the brains. I bet there are lots of inner city kids in america who are smart enough to be doctors but never will because of money."
we do have federally funded assistance and no interest loans and also grants for kids to go to school. If you're smart enough or have talent in some field, you'll also get a scholarship. We also have community colleges which are cheap and you can apply to medical school from those colleges. Nobody, but the seriously wealthy can afford medical school, but if you get into a school you'll be able to get a loan from a bank.
Again more untrue rhetoric:
"They guy who could discover the cure to cancer could be flipping burgers right now, and not get the chance."

Trust me, the guy with the intelligence and talent who's going to discover the cure to cancer is getting a free ride to an very good university on scholarship money. It'd seriously take a genius to cure cancer and whether rich or poor kids with this level of talent get scholarships to very good universities. The reason we have schools like Harvard and Yale is because we have private schools and they are not subsidised. So if you flip it you could say that you're hurting the best students by not giving them the best education, you're holding them back to satisfy the folks who don't have the same level of intelligence and ability.

And get some numbers on Iraq before talking about it. Over 1 million dead due to UN sanctions, sanctions that your country also agreed with. This would continue under Saddam's regime. So we were killing people at a faster pace before we ever went into Iraq. We didn't force 60% of the population to vote, we made it possible for them to vote, whether or not they want to was up to them. Saddam supported the sunni MINORITY while committing horrendous acts against the Shiite majority and also the kurds.

"Yeah it does affect us. When i go to europe and someone thinks i might be american because i sound like one. I could get beat up because of your government. And wars effect everyone. "

you aren't serious? Our government is sending our family and friends to die over there and you're concerned that some French dude is gonna start a fight if you go abroad?

Democracy isn't worth dying for? Is that why 60% of the country risked life and limb to vote? It would have been better if the Iraqi people did it themselves but due to the inposed sanctions they couldn't. They didn't have the resources available. The sanction that was supposed to cripple Saddam didn't do it, instead it made him very wealthy because France, Germany, and Russia were buying oil from him at a price lower than what OPEC would allow. They funded him directly. Their votes had less to do with Iraq and more to do with them not wanting to get caught with their fingers in the cookie jar....which is exactly what happened. Yet I don't hear any outrage over their egregious actions that filled Saddams pockets and left the Shiite and Kurds unable to rebel on their own. The americans might be assholes for having other motives behind their actions in Iraq but it's leading to more people being able to have a voice in their government, the aforementioned 3 countries had an alternate motive for not wanting to allow the US into Iraq and that was leading toward Saddam gaining power and the other people suffering from the sanctions.

Plenty of people in the past have felt that democracy and civil rights were worth dying for, American colonists, the French peasants, English peasants, Japanese proponents of the Meji government etc. In todays world, it is much more difficult for the common people to rebel. It was all fine when we both had muskets, but the common folk have guns and the government has surface to air missles and mustard gas.

I don't think Iraqis will ever let the US make them like us nor should they. I think so far their democracy and elections have been better than the US elections. Higher voter turnout, rather than 2 parties they had over 100 candidates and those included women. Perhaps the US should take a lesson from their democracy.

Let's take a look at the BBC log of the elections and people's comments. The BBC often prints things that a lot of folk construe as anti-american, but I think many times they are a genuine journal and they have a different perspective which is important for americans to see, it's important to have another point of view:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/...og/default.stm

Many many people are happy with being able to vote. They are still suspicious of the occupying forces (US and britian mostly) which they should be but many also seem very hopeful.

America has supported it's interests and at times that has meant supporting the bad guys. perhaps it's not right, but it's reality. World power struggle is a reality, and it always will be. My point in that last statement is that the rest of the world gets a free pass and the US doesn't. I think we need to be fair and say yes the US has and continues to perpatrate horrible atrocities but so has most everyone else.

I'm not a flag waving moron who thinks everything the US does is right, but I'm also not a flag burning moron who thinks everything the US does is evil. I'm glad that the US backed representative Allawi fared poorly in the elections since he would've been seen as a puppet. I'm glad the Shiite majority is willing to work with the kurds and also include the Sunnis who were the minority but held power during Saddam's regime and I'm glad the US isn't trying to rig things to push Allawi as that would lead to civil war. After hearing remarks by Ayatollah Sustanni the leader of the party that has garnered the most votes, I'd say he's more reasonable and a lot better in terms of political savvy than Bush. And most certainly he's a lot more peaceful and reasonable than Saddam.

I am hopeful that the future of Iraq is bright, I sincerely hope the US doesn't abuse Iraq and steal their national resources. I hope they are rebuilt in the same fashion as the US helped rebuild Germany and Japan and the world is a more stabilized place with leaders who want their people to have more freedoms.

Perhaps I don't have the same ideas about the role of the government but that doesn't mean I'm an uncaring jerk. I just think that other solutions are better than federally funded free healthcare. And yes it may cause some undue suffering in the short term, but in the long term I do see the benefit of having less government interference and putting the impetus on the people in a free market economy.

Get a grip, not everyone in the US is a bloodthirsty ogre who would bash a muslim baby over the head with a shovel. I have my beliefs and you have yours. I want people to take the major part of the responsibility for their own communities rather than governments. I'm sympathetic to the impoverished, but I'm also sympathetic to the working middle class who work hard their who lives and don't have much to show for it.

[phillykid420]

Lastly, nomorenarcs, for all your caring, you don't seem to care that 4 cops lost their lives and you don't know whether they were corrupt or not. And now their families have to grow up without their father...real nice of you. I lost my pops as I said above, thank god I was old enough to deal and take care of my family, so I can sympathize with while you seem to think they deserve it for doing their jobs.

[juggalo420]

I am no friend of cops, hell i grow, been busted in the past. If pot was legal this wouldn't happen, but come on folks these people had families, young kids. There is no amount of pot or money is worth what thier children are going through. The people are at fault, me you and everyone who wants pot legal, it is up to us to overthrow these assholes running things.

the children, the children, fuck the children, lifes tough. saddam huessien had a family too, hitler had a beautiful wife, the btk serial killer had a nice family too, so you do evil you have whats coming.

[LilRedDevil]

the children, the children, fuck the children, lifes tough. saddam huessien had a family too, hitler had a beautiful wife, the btk serial killer had a nice family too, so you do evil you have whats coming.

Please! Stop talking out your asshole! Evil is the so called "MAN" who shot the cops! I sit here and read all you tough ass wanna B's and LMAO! You think your a bad ass! Probably cry when your moms & dads take your stash!

GROW UP!

[phillykid420]

Hey. way to stick up for a convict who went to prison for sexually assulting a boy. Roszyko is truly a screwed up individual.

Truck dispute led to RCMP tragedy
Last Updated Sat, 05 Mar 2005 12:49:39 EST
CBC News

MAYERTHORPE, ALTA. - The chain of events that ended in the deaths of four RCMP officers on an Alberta farm began with efforts to repossess a pickup truck.

Suspect James Roszko had stopped payments on the truck, and the dealership financing the vehicle sent a sheriff to take it back, his sister told CBC News.

Roszko's mother, Stephanie Fifield, said her son took issue with the dealership because it was willing to fix a dented tailgate on the Ford, but not replace it.

A warrant unsealed Friday night says when the sheriff arrived at the farm, a man started shouting at him and released two dogs that appeared to be rottweilers.
Laying flowers at a makeshift memorial outside the Mayerthorpe RCMP detachment (CP photo)

The man sped off and the sheriff called the RCMP for assistance, the warrant says. When the Mounties arrived at the farm, they found what they say was stolen truck parts and about 20 marijuana plants.

Two officers remained overnight Wednesday to secure the area and wait for members of the Edmonton RCMP Auto Theft Unit to bring a warrant and search the property.

At around 9 a.m. Thursday, the two RCMP officers were joined by two other members of their force. Fifteen minutes later, two officers from the Auto Theft Unit arrived.

As they were getting out of their car, they heard shots being fired inside the metal garage, called a Quonset hut.

* FROM MARCH 4, 2005: Officers took proper precautions: RCMP

* FROM MARCH 4, 2005: Suspect in RCMP killings had history of run-ins with police

* FROM MARCH 4, 2005: RCMP shootings 'hurt the heart' of Alberta community

The RCMP say Roszko, 46, who was armed with a rapid-fire assault rifle, began firing at the newly arrived officers, who returned fire.

A medical examiner will determine if the gunman committed suicide or was killed by a police bullet.

Roszko had a long list of criminal convictions, including a two and a half year prison term for sexually assaulting a boy.

[nomorenarcs]

Your assertion that I don't see the poor just isn't factual, just cause you took a semester of social work is makes you an expert? I live among them.


Then by your logic you are lazy. Get off your ass and move then. And I just said i lived in a ghetto all thru university. Just because you drive thru a ghetto and have to look at them doesnt mean shit.





And some people around my way spend their money on "hot rims" for their new car rather than on truly important things like making sure their family is well taken care of.


Just come right out and say it.....



I'm not trying to help the elites of american society grab up more stupid tvs for their escalade,

..you are Racist


Like i said most people on welfare are fucked up people with serious problems. If want to believe its just dumb black people with no common sense, you go ahead.




You cannot get around the point that both the US and Canada is heading into some hard times in terms of health care costs. We are accelerated due to having 270 million more people but Canada is also facing the rising cost of health care. The current status can't stand forever unless more people are employeed and the economy grows so more folks are self sufficient and can pay for their own health care costs.


Doesnt matter how much the economy grows, people making mimimum will never be self sufficent. They will never afford private health care. And fat asses like you would be the 1st to cry if your super sized happy meal goes up 10 cents to pay a decent minimum wage.



"I think the only thing you should need to go to school is the brains. I bet there are lots of inner city kids in america who are smart enough to be doctors but never will because of money."
we do have federally funded assistance and no interest loans and also grants for kids to go to school.


Yeah thats real great, so when you finish school you have a debt of 100 grand waiting for you. Why does my life not get to get started until i am 40? Because i went to school, now i dont get to get married have a car or a house, i have to pay for years. This shit should be free, instead i had to mortage my life jst to get a piece of paper. I would rather pay more taxes and get it for free.


If you're smart enough or have talent in some field, you'll also get a scholarship.


I dont agree with letting buddy go to school because he can run. What if you cant run? Scholarships arent the answer. Very few people are helped. Making it free is way more fair. Acedemic scholaships only help a very smal per cent of people.


We also have community colleges which are cheap and you can apply to medical school from those colleges. Nobody, but the seriously wealthy can afford medical school, but if you get into a school you'll be able to get a loan from a bank.


Anyone should be able to afford to go to medical school if they are smart enough to go there.


Again more untrue rhetoric:
"They guy who could discover the cure to cancer could be flipping burgers right now, and not get the chance."


Trust me, the guy with the intelligence and talent who's going to discover the cure to cancer is getting a free ride to an very good university on scholarship money.



So there are no people smart enough to go to school and cant? Why should they not get to go because they are poor? They are lots of people who are smart and it just money blocking the way.



It'd seriously take a genius to cure cancer and whether rich or poor kids with this level of talent get scholarships to very good universities. The reason we have schools like Harvard and Yale is because we have private schools and they are not subsidised. So if you flip it you could say that you're hurting the best students by not giving them the best education, you're holding them back to satisfy the folks who don't have the same level of intelligence and ability.



Schools in other countries are all equal. No one gets a substandard education because it is cheaper. You dont get a better education at harvard medical school than you do at a medical school in another country where you paid one quarter of the same cost.



And get some numbers on Iraq before talking about it. Over 1 million dead due to UN sanctions, sanctions that your country also agreed with. This would continue under Saddam's regime. So we were killing people at a faster pace before we ever went into Iraq. We didn't force 60% of the population to vote, we made it possible for them to vote, whether or not they want to was up to them. Saddam supported the sunni MINORITY while committing horrendous acts against the Shiite majority and also the kurds.


The rest of the world is not wrong and americans all worldly and informed. You dont know shit about what is going on out there. Maybe you should get your ass a passport and find out what people think of you. The rest of the world isnt wrong and america right, you cant see it because well, as a people, you are ignorant. Americans are ignorant.
You created saddam, its your fault. Supporting the american occupation is the same as supporting nazi germany. You shouldnt smoke weed if you are pro war. People who are right wing shouldnt smoke weed anyway.


"Yeah it does affect us. When i go to europe and someone thinks i might be american because i sound like one. I could get beat up because of your government. And wars effect everyone. "

you aren't serious? Our government is sending our family and friends to die over there and you're concerned that some French dude is gonna start a fight if you go abroad?



I dont care if you die in iraq. You invaded another fucking country you deserve to die, and i spit on your grave when you do. None of our bussiness? This war is none of the rest of the worlds business? You have no business being in iraq. You are the bad guys, and must be a stupid american to think otherwise. I dont care if the worthless garbage who join the US military die. BTW i have muslims in my family, and this effects more than it effects you asshole. You can be as pro war as you want sitting on your fat ass. I am on the muslims side.




Democracy isn't worth dying for? Is that why 60% of the country risked life and limb to vote?


It has nothing to do with freedom or democracy, you just want to force iraq to be like you and call that freedom. The rest of the world doesnt want to be like you. We dont want to ignorant, stupid etc etc. America should not lecture anyone on freedom.




It would have been better if the Iraqi people did it themselves but due to the inposed sanctions they couldn't.


nonesense




The sanction that was supposed to cripple Saddam didn't do it, instead it made him very wealthy because France, Germany, and Russia were buying oil from him at a price lower than what OPEC would allow. They funded him directly.


You bought him bombs moron. Americans know nothing about the world, thats a pont of pride for you. If you did you would know you created saddam. you made osama. You havent cared for years and years, its only when it came crashing into the WTC did you realize there was a whole owrld out there.



Their votes had less to do with Iraq and more to do with them not wanting to get caught with their fingers in the cookie jar....which is exactly what happened. Yet I don't hear any outrage over their egregious actions that filled Saddams pockets and left the Shiite and Kurds unable to rebel on their own. The americans might be assholes for having other motives behind their actions in Iraq but it's leading to more people being able to have a voice in their government, the aforementioned 3 countries had an alternate motive for not wanting to allow the US into Iraq and that was leading toward Saddam gaining power and the other people suffering from the sanctions.



So the fact you went there to steal oil, and something good might have come from from it eventaully, maybe, makes it all worthwhile? You keep changing your story, 1st saddam was a threat, then he wasnt, then it was all about freedom, but freedom isnt nessecary for saudi arabia, only places america says it is. No one is buying this shit outside america you know. It might work for simple minded "frreom good islam bad" assholes but the world isnt that stupid.


Plenty of people in the past have felt that democracy and civil rights were worth dying for, American colonists, the French peasants, English peasants, Japanese proponents of the Meji government etc.


America invading iraq is not comparable to people fighting for freedom. You are occupiers. Not liberators. Liberators dont put people in naked pyramids. Its a joke you people believe this one line "freedom good" shit from bush. You are really are simple minded morons down there. He is the perfect leader.



In todays world, it is much more difficult for the common people to rebel. It was all fine when we both had muskets, but the common folk have guns and the government has surface to air missles and mustard gas.


Coups happen all the time. Governments get overthrown, even peacefully sometimes. Read the paper.



I don't think Iraqis will ever let the US make them like us nor should they. I think so far their democracy and elections have been better than the US elections. Higher voter turnout, rather than 2 parties they had over 100 candidates and those included women. Perhaps the US should take a lesson from their democracy.


How many legitimate political parties were declared terrorists by the americans and not allowed to participate? This was a sham election.





Many many people are happy with being able to vote. They are still suspicious of the occupying forces (US and britian mostly) which they should be but many also seem very hopeful.



The people who had their house turned to rubble are really happy. So are the people missing limbs. Woo hoo! You saw a person with a blue finger in the media, and think wow thats all good. Come on you are really that easy to lead?





America has supported it's interests and at times that has meant supporting the bad guys. perhaps it's not right, but it's reality. World power struggle is a reality, and it always will be.


No sorry its never ok to support tyrants. It comes back to bite you on the ass.




My point in that last statement is that the rest of the world gets a free pass and the US doesn't. I think we need to be fair and say yes the US has and continues to perpatrate horrible atrocities but so has most everyone else.



America keeps making the same mistakes and acting surprized when it comes back to haunt them. Why not stop making the mistakes now. Stop support of israeal and saudi. Or dont cry next 9-11.



I'm not a flag waving moron who thinks everything the US does is right, but I'm also not a flag burning moron who thinks everything the US does is evil.



I dont support the US government in almost anything. I cant smoke weed because of
your evil governments uneeded interferece in canada.





I'm glad that the US backed representative Allawi fared poorly in the elections since he would've been seen as a puppet.


They are all puppets. This is a sham government.




I'm glad the Shiite majority is willing to work with the kurds and also include the Sunnis who were the minority but held power during Saddam's regime and I'm glad the US isn't trying to rig things to push Allawi as that would lead to civil war.


I want saddam back, nothing was blowing up when he was there. His name should have been on the ballot




After hearing remarks by Ayatollah Sustanni the leader of the party that has garnered the most votes, I'd say he's more reasonable and a lot better in terms of political savvy than Bush. And most certainly he's a lot more peaceful and reasonable than Saddam.



Ayatollas are just great. I am sure he will do lots for womens rights too.




I am hopeful that the future of Iraq is bright, I sincerely hope the US doesn't abuse Iraq and steal their national resources. I hope they are rebuilt in the same fashion as the US helped rebuild Germany and Japan and the world is a more stabilized place with leaders who want their people to have more freedoms.


I hope iraq turns to shit, just to prove america wrong.




Perhaps I don't have the same ideas about the role of the government but that doesn't mean I'm an uncaring jerk. I just think that other solutions are better than federally funded free healthcare. And yes it may cause some undue suffering in the short term, but in the long term I do see the benefit of having less government interference and putting the impetus on the people in a free market economy.



Yeah yeah yeah americans individualism, heard it all before. The rest of the world outside america agrees with me, not you. thats why no one else is trying to follow in your footsteps. We dont want bad schools, big ghettos, and rich only hospitals.




Get a grip, not everyone in the US is a bloodthirsty ogre who would bash a muslim baby over the head with a shovel. I have my beliefs and you have yours. I want people to take the major part of the responsibility for their own communities rather than governments. I'm sympathetic to the impoverished, but I'm also sympathetic to the working middle class who work hard their who lives and don't have much to show for it



You dont sound too sympathetic, in fact you sound like you blame the poor for being poor.

[nomorenarcs]

[QUOTE=phillykid420]Hey. way to stick up for a convict who went to prison for sexually assulting a boy. Roszyko is truly a screwed up individual.



Want to see a list of cases of the rcmp killing indians in cold blood in alberta?