Extreme Vape or Vapor Brothers? Time to make a decision

[FourTwenty4Life]

The Volcano isn't even the most efficient bag filler. That would be the herbalAire. And the Purple-Days, because of the small bowl and fixed temp, is king of efficiency.

Another big downside for a lot of people with any bag filler is taste. With bags you get total blandness-the good taste at the start of the bowl is blended with the bad at the end. Some prefer that. I got tired of it. Got tired of the diluted taste as well. Direct draw provides a much higher vapor to air ratio for vapor rich hits.

Can't beat the Extreme for versatility. It would be my choice among those three no doubt.

Please prove any of what you stated. Everything you just put is opinion . See my long post in some other thread where I provide PROOF to back up my statements. Oh and Bowl size means nothing, I pack barely anything or fill it up, it's preference . You mention taste when the most charred tasting vapor I ever had was via direct draw. You keep talking about vapor /air ratio but can't prove anything. I've never tasted diluted vapor from my cano but if you're referring to the taste of leaving a whip on too long cause you want a big hit and it ends up tasting charred in seconds , then yeah I know what you mean BUT...I can't prove that so there is no weight behind it...Now my cano post is a different story... (Buying Recommendations thread) . I'm NOT putting down other vapes, just saying cano is king with proof to back.
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[vapefiend]

Bowl size means nothing

For efficiency? Really? Sorry, in the real world it does. Opinion yes, but consensus opinion. While it's possible to be extremely efficient with most any good convection vape, trying to get the same efficiency out of my SSV, as I do with the small bowl on the PD, is downright frustrating. It's like driving a sports car in order to get the maximum gas mileage. It's not designed for that. No fun at all. And I've seen a number of posts on various forums from people who weren't crazy about the efficiency of the 'cano. To be fair I'm not impressed, efficiency wise, with most of the vapes I've used (about a dozen) compared to the PD. It's just the best design out there for encouraging efficiency. As for proof, it's easy to see how much you're using with different vapes. I've proved to myself that the PD is king of efficiency, as has every other owner who's expressed an opinion on it. And there's a ton of owner feedback at fuckcombustion.com.

I've never tasted diluted vapor from my cano but if you're referring to the taste of leaving a whip on too long cause you want a big hit and it ends up tasting charred in seconds

Vapor from any bag is less concentrated than from a whip vape. This is commonly accepted. When people use both methods enough and/or read opinions from others who have used both, it becomes obvious what the majority opinion is.

There are strengths and weaknesses to various vape designs, and one model can't be THE BEST in all areas. Lots of people don't like bags. That eliminates the 'cano right off the bat. Others want direct draw and bag fill. Doesn't satisfy that requirement either. More and more, people who do a lot of looking around at what experienced users of multiple models are using, are finding that the Volcano is not always the popular choice. I can point you to a 'cano owner on another forum who's vape of choice is now the Purple Days. Let's just say there's lots of competition these days from vape makers who are providing different types/styles of quality vapes, and leave it at that. At least that's where I'll leave it. I'm sure you'd like to have the last word though.

[FourTwenty4Life]

For efficiency? Really? Sorry, in the real world it does. Opinion yes, but consensus opinion. While it's possible to be extremely efficient with most any good convection vape, trying to get the same efficiency out of my SSV, as I do with the small bowl on the PD, is downright frustrating. It's like driving a sports car in order to get the maximum gas mileage. It's not designed for that. No fun at all. And I've seen a number of posts on various forums from people who weren't crazy about the efficiency of the 'cano. To be fair I'm not impressed, efficiency wise, with most of the vapes I've used (about a dozen) compared to the PD. It's just the best design out there for encouraging efficiency. As for proof, it's easy to see how much you're using with different vapes. I've proved to myself that the PD is king of efficiency, as has every other owner who's expressed an opinion on it. And there's a ton of owner feedback at fuckcombustion.com.

Vapor from any bag is less concentrated than from a whip vape. This is commonly accepted. When people use both methods enough and/or read opinions from others who have used both, it becomes obvious what the majority opinion is.

There are strengths and weaknesses to various vape designs, and one model can't be THE BEST in all areas. Lots of people don't like bags. That eliminates the 'cano right off the bat. Others want direct draw and bag fill. Doesn't satisfy that requirement either. More and more, people who do a lot of looking around at what experienced users of multiple models are using, are finding that the Volcano is not always the popular choice. I can point you to a 'cano owner on another forum who's vape of choice is now the Purple Days. Let's just say there's lots of competition these days from vape makers who are providing different types/styles of quality vapes, and leave it at that. At least that's where I'll leave it. I'm sure you'd like to have the last word though.

Everything you stated is your own opinion . I HAVE looked around the net and I could find people to back my view too. Proof via customer reviews means nothing compared to actual published studies. I can point you to lots of people and reviews that side with the cano. That doesn't make me right. All I'm saying is the Volcano is the ONLY vape I know with PROOF, not forum review BS. I don't always need the last word but when I disagree, I disagree...:hippy:

[lwien123]

Everything you stated is your own opinion . I HAVE looked around the net and I could find people to back my view too. Proof via customer reviews means nothing compared to actual published studies. I can point you to lots of people and reviews that side with the cano. That doesn't make me right. All I'm saying is the Volcano is the ONLY vape I know with PROOF, not forum review BS. I don't always need the last word but when I disagree, I disagree...:hippy:

Proof of WHAT ?

[FourTwenty4Life]

Proof of WHAT ?

Proof of vapor contents. Volcano is the only vaporizer I know of with scientific published studies. Who is to say other vapes produce the same results without PROOF?:thumbsup::hippy:

[lwien123]

If you are referring to this study>>>>http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/j...ingervapor.pdf

then I have two issues with it. One, is that the study is over 5 years old. But the main issue is that the study was funded by Storz & Bickel GmbH&Co., the manufacturer of the Volcano. Now that doesn't render the study useless, and I am not questioning the validity of the study, but it does make it a bit suspect.

The fact is that vaporization is a very simple process, and I have no doubt that ALL vaporizers can produce the same result, IF they all vaporize the herb at the exact same temperature, but that temp is variable on all vaporizers, even those with fixed temp settings, so.................in this aspect, saying that the Volcano is a better vaporizer due to this study is ludicrous.

[FourTwenty4Life]

If you are referring to this study>>>>http://www.canorml.org/healthfacts/j...ingervapor.pdf

then I have two issues with it. One, is that the study is over 5 years old. But the main issue is that the study was funded by Storz & Bickel GmbH&Co., the manufacturer of the Volcano. Now that doesn't render the study useless, and I am not questioning the validity of the study, but it does make it a bit suspect.

The fact is that vaporization is a very simple process, and I have no doubt that ALL vaporizers can produce the same result, IF they all vaporize the herb at the exact same temperature, but that temp is variable on all vaporizers, even those with fixed temp settings, so.................in this aspect, saying that the Volcano is a better vaporizer due to this study is ludicrous.

ROFL ostexcuseme::yeahright::S2::S2::S2::S2:

[lwien123]

ROFL ostexcuseme::yeahright::S2::S2::S2::S2:

Enjoy you "Cano" man. It IS a great vape, and it may be the best vape for YOU, but it is NOT the best vape on the market, and your constant point of bringing up a 5 year old study that was funded by Volcano just doesn't hold water.

There is no best vape...............PERIOD !! And I could really care less if you agree with me or not. What I DO want to do is not have anyone else fall for a fanboys rhetoric.

Happy trails..........:thumbsup:

[FourTwenty4Life]

Enjoy you "Cano" man. It IS a great vape, and it may be the best vape for YOU, but it is NOT the best vape on the market, and your constant point of bringing up a 5 year old study that was funded by Volcano just doesn't hold water.

There is no best vape...............PERIOD !! And I could really care less if you agree with me or not. What I DO want to do is not have anyone else fall for a fanboys rhetoric.

Happy trails..........:thumbsup:

Quick argument against Extreme vape...who wants to wait 20 min for their vape to warm up like the manufacturer suggest on the wikipedia looking How To page...?? My cano takes about 4 minutes...20min or 4..hmmm you decide . I still haven't seen ANY proof that whip is better or higher vape ratio but please share otherwise
LOL you really don't know what you're talking about. They funded the study ....NO SHIT, guess what, it's not free to get stuff like that properly tested so your argument doesn't "hold water" with me. I don't care what BS you say just to argue with me. You're obviously dislexic because I never said cano is the best...that's opinion BUT the FACTS are in the SALES, REPUTATION, and most importantly RELIABILITY.

No one is going to "fall" for any rhetoric except yours. I have already stated but will repeat that I encourage all vape buyers to do their own research and establish their own opinion . You just don't like that I defend my personal choice which is the cano. I don't think everyone should have a Volcano. It's not for everyone . Honestly though buddy, I can make the same kind of argument you're making about ANY vape out there. The facts speak for themself. Let me try to be clear........ If you want portable, multi function, cheaper vape ,GO FOR IT. However if you want a reliable , trusted name, always happy customer with little /no negative feedback, #1 sales, and can afford a little extra for safest proven materials and years R&D , I SUGGEST the Volcano .Some care about those facts, others care less. I'm sure other vapes are safe but none have stood the test of time yet like cano...but maybe time will change that. I'm looking forward to getting a portable vape so should we argue about that now?:thumbsup::hippy::wtf:

[lwien123]

Quick argument against Extreme vape...who wants to wait 20 min for their vape to warm up like the manufacturer suggest on the wikipedia looking How To page...?? My cano takes about 4 minutes...20min or 4..hmmm you decide . I still haven't seen ANY proof that whip is better or higher vape ratio but please share otherwise
LOL you really don't know what you're talking about. They funded the study ....NO SHIT, guess what, it's not free to get stuff like that properly tested so your argument doesn't "hold water" with me. I don't care what BS you say just to argue with me. You're obviously dislexic because I never said cano is the best...that's opinion BUT the FACTS are in the SALES, REPUTATION, and most importantly RELIABILITY.

No one is going to "fall" for any rhetoric except yours. I have already stated but will repeat that I encourage all vape buyers to do their own research and establish their own opinion . You just don't like that I defend my personal choice which is the cano. I don't think everyone should have a Volcano. It's not for everyone . Honestly though buddy, I can make the same kind of argument you're making about ANY vape out there. The facts speak for themself. Let me try to be clear........ If you want portable, multi function, cheaper vape ,GO FOR IT. However if you want a reliable , trusted name, always happy customer with little /no negative feedback, #1 sales, and can afford a little extra for safest proven materials and years R&D , I SUGGEST the Volcano .Some care about those facts, others care less. I'm sure other vapes are safe but none have stood the test of time yet like cano...but maybe time will change that. I'm looking forward to getting a portable vape so should we argue about that now?:thumbsup::hippy::wtf:

Listen up. The ONLY reason that I'm debating with you is that in the past, you have consistently touted that the Volcano is the BEST vaporizer on the market. Like I've said before, it may be the best for you, but it is not the best for everyone. And now, by what you have stated above, you agree with me. Maybe we're just getting hung up on semantics, but your comment of, "You're obviously dislexic because I never said cano is the best...." is TOTALLY off base because that is EXACTLY what you have said, and if you like, I can go back into some threads to show that. Hell, I wouldn't be here debating all this with you if you hadn't.

Now getting to the funding of a study. Anytime a study, which is supposed to be unbiased, is funded by the company that the study is about, is subject to question. It doesn't take a major leap of logic to understand that, no?

Ok, I'm done with this. I'll say it again. The 'Cano is a great vape, but it is not the best vape on the market...........for everyone. Would you actually suggest a 'Cano to someone who gets high on only one or two hits a night? So you may say, yeah, just load a pinch in the bowl. Ok, but if do that, the vape to air ratio goes to hell. For this person, there are personal vapes, like the Purple Days that would make a LOT more sense than the 'Cano. But.............as a party vape, the Volcano is one of the, if not THE best vape on the market.

I just find it odd that someone has to go around touting about how great THEIR vape is. It's something that I have never done, so I just don't understand it. When someone comes here asking for advice, I try to give them the best advice that I know, and I can do that without ever mentioning what vape I personally use. Why? Because it doesn't matter what I use. What matters is trying to steer a potential buyer to the best vape for them, NOT to the vape that is best for me.

Later...............