Quote Originally Posted by 8182KSKUSH
On a scale of death on this planet, that's really nothing.
How many people were killed violently/needless where you live, just by other crazy ass people? In the last year.
I get what you are saying to, and yes any death is a tragedy. But are you kidding me? Do you not see the difference between making a mistake, and 100% Intent? You should try to look at Islamic Terrorism, and try holding them to the same standards that you are talking about now.

Right, the Tali Ban, Al Queda, Hamas, ect... are always careful not to injur, mame, or kill innocent, unarmed, non military persons. They even try not to send homicide bombers to places where there are nothing but civilians. They really try hard to always focus their "wartime aggression" on real military targets!:thumbsup: I am sure they all get together after sending a homicide bomber into a crowded shopping center and really ask themselves "gee how could we better carry out this war without hurting innocent people.":thumbsup:

With all do respect I just flatly disagree with you. I understand that you have to believe that in your mind to legitimize what you are saying and that's fine. Everyone should be free to think however they want no matter what that "Asbestos" guy says!

Yeah you are probably right?:wtf: I know you are joking kind of but not really.:jointsmile:

Again, I just believe you are flat out wrong, and would again bring up my point of how both sides of this war are waging this war. I just can't believe that you (and it's not JUST you, I concede there are millions of people that believe exactly what you are saying) but it just boggles the mind. It is a stark contrast in perception of reality that's for sure! Makes for interesting discussion though so without it none of this would be very worthwhile.:jointsmile:
Wow. This just keeps getting better.

I completely understand the difference between mistake and intent, anyone who has basic legal knowledge does. However, since these men are never going to have legal trials and will hide behind uncle sam, we can take it out of legal context.
My earlier argument was that I acknowledge the occurrence of civilian casualties, HOWEVER there is quite a large issue with the amount we have seen throughout both Iraq and Afghanistan.
But actually, I almost can't argue that, seeing as depending on where you look for the stats, they range from 3,000 to about 15,000. Nobody seems to have an accurate figure, nor does the US even try to put forth an effort in consistently recording and reporting civilian deaths.
Hm....could this be because THEY DON'T CARE!?!? I accept that to be true. If you don't, you are in denial yourself. But you of course would think they actually care, because you have to justify your own thoughts when you argue that America does all it can to prevent civilian casualties...and that they are conducting this war with dignity.I understand you need to believe that in your mind to justify what you are saying and that's fine...nice quote worked out well here.

Guess what, the rest of us know that at the end of the day, they don't really care about dead iraqi civilians. Look at how they treat civilians when they are alive, man. They bust into their homes and scream at them to get down, children present - root the house as they please....smells a little like search and destroy to me...What if Russian soldiers came into your house and screamed at you to get down on the ground in Russian while pointing their guns at you and your loved ones. And then, they take you away from your family because you know or have consorted with someone who is linked to 'capitalism'. So this is how they treat them when alive, I'm sorry if I fail to think the administration cares when they are dead.

Lastly, why am I so 'comical' in my arguments, if millions think this way? Have you ever considered that outright support of this war is not directly related to your patriotism. Relax and realize it is okay to question government...you are still a patriot.
In fact, what makes one unpatriotic, IMO, is allowing the government in power to corrupt and ruin the reputation of your country.

In regards to your bit about suicide bombing...fucking duh!
Of course they aren't regarding civilian casualties. Thats what makes them the bad guys. Never did I suggest that they do. Im suggesting that YOU should see the hypocrisy in fighting an enemy you deem to be evil when you do evil things yourself.