Oh! What a Lovely War

[8182KSKUSH]

In total, just for this year, there have been 700 civilian casualties in Afghanistan..

On a scale of death on this planet, that's really nothing.
How many people were killed violently/needless where you live, just by other crazy ass people? In the last year.
I get what you are saying to, and yes any death is a tragedy. But are you kidding me? Do you not see the difference between making a mistake, and 100% Intent? You should try to look at Islamic Terrorism, and try holding them to the same standards that you are talking about now.

I got your point Kush, of course people die in a war.
The problem is the disregard for their protection. .

Right, the Tali Ban, Al Queda, Hamas, ect... are always careful not to injur, mame, or kill innocent, unarmed, non military persons. They even try not to send homicide bombers to places where there are nothing but civilians. They really try hard to always focus their "wartime aggression" on real military targets!:thumbsup: I am sure they all get together after sending a homicide bomber into a crowded shopping center and really ask themselves "gee how could we better carry out this war without hurting innocent people.":thumbsup:

The civilians who are caught in the crossfire probably don't even cross the minds of the administration. .

With all do respect I just flatly disagree with you. I understand that you have to believe that in your mind to legitimize what you are saying and that's fine. Everyone should be free to think however they want no matter what that "Asbestos" guy says!

In fact, GWB and his followers probably request that the turbans of the dead be shipped over to America and mounted on the wall like their last deer. All the while drinking and saying "we got you eye-rakki's"!.

Yeah you are probably right?:wtf: I know you are joking kind of but not really.:jointsmile:

And with all the best technology, you mean to tell me they can't get their shit straight before they drop a bomb??
Its not about being realistic and saying, well, its a war...so...
Its about trying your best not to kill innocents, and I just don't believe they are.

Again, I just believe you are flat out wrong, and would again bring up my point of how both sides of this war are waging this war. I just can't believe that you (and it's not JUST you, I concede there are millions of people that believe exactly what you are saying) but it just boggles the mind. It is a stark contrast in perception of reality that's for sure! Makes for interesting discussion though so without it none of this would be very worthwhile.:jointsmile:

[8182KSKUSH]

And speaking as someone who only hates most humans lol i dont personally give a shit bout who got killed where so long as it not people i care about, but whats the point of going to war if you cant hit correct targets if so called friendly fire keeps killing innocent people while the terrorists etc keep bombing our troops, if they could actually fight a war instead of playing with guns maybe it would have been resolved by now.

never have i heard such shit man of course innocent people are going to die during a war, in fact can u tell me exactly where i said innocent people dont get killed in war..

My bad. I am confused what exactly did you mean by this when you said:

but whats the point of going to war if you cant hit correct targets if so called friendly fire keeps killing innocent people..

i think not as its clearly obvious, but you would think by now with all the technology and equipment to detect targets that they might actually hit that target not just random people or are you telling me thats all part of war, when your government took you to war it was whilst saying lets go kill aload of random people, i dont think so!!! there was supposed to be the point of fighting terrorists!!!
and please if your going to ask someone a question its usually a matter of courtesy to let them answer for themselves,
3.4 million iraqi civilians forced to flee there homes and 655,000 killed i may not know everything about it but i'm not thick nor incoherent.

Yeah, whatever you say. Perception is reality huh?:thumbsup:
Calm down really this is all supposed to be in good fun huh?
Try not to take my opinions about the world we live in too personally OK. I really am just trying to honestly tell you how I feel and what I think. No matter what I say it really isn't going to do anything, it's OK I promise.:jointsmile:

[devils dream]

sorry i thought it was plainly clear i was stating that there isnt much point in fighting a war where things are repeatedly fucked up and innocent people are being killed by bombs hitting the wrong targets while the terrorist continue acting out their plans.

in other words to dumb it down for you they should get it right then less innocent people will be killed in the process.

[8182KSKUSH]

sorry i thought it was plainly clear i was stating that there isnt much point in fighting a war where things are repeatedly fucked up and innocent people are being killed by bombs hitting the wrong targets while the terrorist continue acting out their plans.

in other words to dumb it down for you they should get it right then less innocent people will be killed in the process.

Really so what war has there been where less innocent people have been killed? Really go back to the beginning of time I will wait here for you.
If you know of some way to actually have a war where innocent people don't get killed you should clearly just state it. Otherwise what you are saying is just comical.

[8182KSKUSH]

sorry i thought it was plainly clear i was stating that there isnt much point in fighting a war where things are repeatedly fucked up and innocent people are being killed by bombs hitting the wrong targets while the terrorist continue acting out their plans.

in other words to dumb it down for you they should get it right then less innocent people will be killed in the process.

Less?
So what is the exact threshold? If the story was about 10 civillans that were killed, then you would be ok with that and you would be here saying how Bush is some kind of enlightened being because he met your subjective criteria for a "humane war".
You are a funny one!

[psychocat]

Kush you should understand that one innocent killed creates 100 who hate you for causing thier death , you simply make the problem harder to deal with.
Only a fool can't grasp the concept of revenge and see that incidents like this make a lot more enemies than they do friends.
I love the way the goverment has you convinced of thier ability to tell you who the "enemy" is but don't seem to be able to get thier intelligence right regarding so many other things Bush Upset With 'Flawed Intelligence' - May 14, 2008 - The New York Sun

I hate to burst your bubble but could you explain what Iraq had to do with 9/11 ?

The hijackers were
15 Saudis, 1 Egyptian, 1 Lebanese, 2 from the United Arab Emirates.

No Iraqis , no Afghanis .
Kinda fucks the idea that one or two countries are responsible for all terrorist activity , America has supported terrorists and dictators when it has suited them.

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[devils dream]

Less?
So what is the exact threshold? If the story was about 10 civillans that were killed, then you would be ok with that and you would be here saying how Bush is some kind of enlightened being because he met your subjective criteria for a "humane war".
You are a funny one!

oh please there is no threshold and innocents will allways get caught up, but fuck me whens it gonna click with you that the more they are getting wrong the less they are getting right and so on and so forth, the more they kill civilians the more civilians will want to kill them, it just becomes a continuous cycle,

[Nightcrewman]

Is it a war, are the USA and the UK actually at "war" has it officially been declared as a war or are the allied troops killing and being killed for nothing more than the ego's of presidents Bush and Brown.
Perhaps someone could enlighten me.

NCM

[FreshNugz]

On a scale of death on this planet, that's really nothing.
How many people were killed violently/needless where you live, just by other crazy ass people? In the last year.
I get what you are saying to, and yes any death is a tragedy. But are you kidding me? Do you not see the difference between making a mistake, and 100% Intent? You should try to look at Islamic Terrorism, and try holding them to the same standards that you are talking about now.

Right, the Tali Ban, Al Queda, Hamas, ect... are always careful not to injur, mame, or kill innocent, unarmed, non military persons. They even try not to send homicide bombers to places where there are nothing but civilians. They really try hard to always focus their "wartime aggression" on real military targets!:thumbsup: I am sure they all get together after sending a homicide bomber into a crowded shopping center and really ask themselves "gee how could we better carry out this war without hurting innocent people.":thumbsup:

With all do respect I just flatly disagree with you. I understand that you have to believe that in your mind to legitimize what you are saying and that's fine. Everyone should be free to think however they want no matter what that "Asbestos" guy says!

Yeah you are probably right?:wtf: I know you are joking kind of but not really.:jointsmile:

Again, I just believe you are flat out wrong, and would again bring up my point of how both sides of this war are waging this war. I just can't believe that you (and it's not JUST you, I concede there are millions of people that believe exactly what you are saying) but it just boggles the mind. It is a stark contrast in perception of reality that's for sure! Makes for interesting discussion though so without it none of this would be very worthwhile.:jointsmile:

Wow. This just keeps getting better.

I completely understand the difference between mistake and intent, anyone who has basic legal knowledge does. However, since these men are never going to have legal trials and will hide behind uncle sam, we can take it out of legal context.
My earlier argument was that I acknowledge the occurrence of civilian casualties, HOWEVER there is quite a large issue with the amount we have seen throughout both Iraq and Afghanistan.
But actually, I almost can't argue that, seeing as depending on where you look for the stats, they range from 3,000 to about 15,000. Nobody seems to have an accurate figure, nor does the US even try to put forth an effort in consistently recording and reporting civilian deaths.
Hm....could this be because THEY DON'T CARE!?!? I accept that to be true. If you don't, you are in denial yourself. But you of course would think they actually care, because you have to justify your own thoughts when you argue that America does all it can to prevent civilian casualties...and that they are conducting this war with dignity.I understand you need to believe that in your mind to justify what you are saying and that's fine...nice quote worked out well here.

Guess what, the rest of us know that at the end of the day, they don't really care about dead iraqi civilians. Look at how they treat civilians when they are alive, man. They bust into their homes and scream at them to get down, children present - root the house as they please....smells a little like search and destroy to me...What if Russian soldiers came into your house and screamed at you to get down on the ground in Russian while pointing their guns at you and your loved ones. And then, they take you away from your family because you know or have consorted with someone who is linked to 'capitalism'. So this is how they treat them when alive, I'm sorry if I fail to think the administration cares when they are dead.

Lastly, why am I so 'comical' in my arguments, if millions think this way? Have you ever considered that outright support of this war is not directly related to your patriotism. Relax and realize it is okay to question government...you are still a patriot.
In fact, what makes one unpatriotic, IMO, is allowing the government in power to corrupt and ruin the reputation of your country.

In regards to your bit about suicide bombing...fucking duh!
Of course they aren't regarding civilian casualties. Thats what makes them the bad guys. Never did I suggest that they do. Im suggesting that YOU should see the hypocrisy in fighting an enemy you deem to be evil when you do evil things yourself.

[apocolips31]

Everyone has evil in them. It is just a question of how much.