Thanks for all your help on this Stinky.
Too bad it is all for nought. As the Kinks would say "I know what I am, I admit I'm a man and so is Lola".
So I yanked him and 8 of his clones and threw them in the bonfire last nite.
I still have 1 female and 7 clones from her trying to root now so I will continue with my log on them.
You can close this thread if you want, I probably won't be back.