thanks llamaman for those links, i was very surprised at how cheap they were on that site, the best price my head shop could offer me was £140 or £250 uk pounds, i wanted the tumbler becourse they looked easy, at the time i just could not find them cheap enough, however i am very happy with my 3 bag kit it cost £65 uk pounds.

hi torog mate,
yes i did freeze the weed before i processed it, i stuck it in the freezer the night before to make sure it was totaly frozen .
my original estermate of weed was far mor than i actauly used, this time i used about 2 and a half ounces of trim and about 1 ounce of popcorn bud, there was also a small top that i chucked in for good measure.

the whole job from start to finish took about 2 and a half hours, and a lot of that was waiting time,
i will say though torog if lifting is a problem then have a buddy handy, my back realy hurt trying to hold the sacks up to drain, but that was thew only prob,
it deffinatly has good pain relief qualitys, it is far better than the hash or soilid i can buy localy for £15 an 8th,
i guess if you can find a good plant that gives good med qualitys then for sure the hash that comes from it will be excerlent as all your smoking is the thc glands, i can only describe it as very sweat tasting weed in very concentrated form.
i cant wait to test this first grade stuff if the second grade was as good as it was then what must the best stuff be like, .........take care and peace to you