hi mates and thanks for your replys, i have allready replyed to this a few days ago, but somehow its not here lol, maybe i was stoned lol, well the choices are tough, i am a little worried about chemicle contamination with making oil, i have tried it in the past and it is first class, hash apeals to me becourse it seems very popular and looks reasonably easy to make, my plants are extreamly frosty and very sticky so they will proberly make good hash stock, they are at the moment finishing, i have chopped 2 down and i expect another 4 today, they look as they normaly do when finishing, i realy dont know what one to go for bags are popular and easy to get hold of yet the tumbler is so conveinent, either way i will be making hash, mmmm i cant wait ...... peace to you all ...........