hi del, thanks for the info mate, yes i should realy go with the bubble bag system, i am just worried that if i dont get it right then i would have wasted all that dosh, i dont know why i am conserned, cos i am pretty experienced with growing, its just that i end up with so much beautifuly frosted tip and fan leaves, they smoke just loverly, i am shit scared to ruin them, does that make sence ?, yes i think i will get the 7 bag bubble bag system, this proberbly sounds mad but i will need some sound personal experianced advise on exactly what to do, i am quite servierly disabled, so does it in volve heavy lifting ?, will i need any chemicles ?, are they readily avalible ?, i would rather do things as natrauly as possible, if it can be done ?,how long does it take ?, what state have the leaves and bud got to be, wet, dried, or cured, i am not looking to make any money or profit from this venture because i need all i can get to help my disabilitys,i have usually grown enough each season 4/5 grows per annum to see me through, without having to buy, my experiements over the years have proved very useful and have helped me develop this strain, i am very proud of it, please tell me if my crossed ladys are suitable for top quality hash, the original mother was high yeilding very smelly and extreamly frosted white widow f1, she regulary finished around 60 to 65 days, she was a complete stoner, there was a good high at the start of the smoke but it left me stoned and unable to do anything sensible, the mrs got the hump with me over it to be honest heheheheh, the father was a quality brain damage from kc seeds, he was the fastest father out of 2 packs of seeds, he was heaverly flowered and sheding pollon in under 55 days his sisters were fairly tall about 4ft they were a great smoke and also heavy with frost, he finished the same hight as the mother about 30 inches, having back crosed over the last 4 grows it now seems fairly predictable, with only slight variations if i cock up a lil bit, as soon as the seedlings were 3inches they get placed under 18hrs of a 250 w hps, for about 5 days then they recieve 400w 18hrs for about 2 and a half to 3 weeks, then blasted under 600w12 hrs untill finished, they stink from start to finish but its deff worse in the last week or so, humidity is kept very low in the last 7 days, sometimes i drop the lights too 10 hrs of light for last few days, i find this encourages the plant to ooze her sticky fluids in a hope of reproducing , the result now is i have a plant that kicks my pain level down to a point were i can use my walking frame instead of my wheelchair, its high is extreamly uplifting but usually ends up with a heavy stone, but not lack of concentration, i will deff get the munchies with out a doubt, in fact i have smoked a joint during this mesage, and i am a bit out of my head, i was hoping the hash would be a nice change, what do you think, thanks guys peace to you all