thanks nosehit. i checked it out and have regestered, very interesting, how do you get on with your screens, bubble bags seems to be the way, do you know if the comparison between b/bags and screens is realy that different at the finish, its not a matter of saving money more a case of if it does the same thing, like i said before i aint made hash before, so maybe first time i might go for the cheaper option, could you tell me what you do and what results i should expect, what do i need and where do i start, thanks mate be luckey