kumfortably: for me a grinder is not convenient at all..i smoke on the go...im not luggin around a backpack like some folks do just to keep pot toys in

and i use a kief box.. i prefer a good quality kief rather than a mixture of leaf and kief ...which is all u get form a ginder.. but if i had a crapload of bud to grind id definitely appreciate a grinder..but for joints or a bowl i can use my fingers :jointsmile: