how advanced would humans be?

[LanSLIde]

If we never struggled we'd have no reason to be strong

[Smokeybears]

If it weren't for humans' greedy nature, the Romans would have never fallen.
I firmly believe that that was the greatest empire ever on Earth. However, we as humans can't even get along.
Think about it, there's got to be other life out there. And whos to say if they know or don't know that we're here.

Sorry to get off topic, but its just food for thought. While we struggle amongst our selves, we could be instead using that time and energy and finding out the secrets of the universe.

far out, eh man?:hippy:

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

Say what you will about Christianity, but the relative peace it brought to Europe allowed the Industrial Revolution to take root.

Anyway, I'm personally thrilled to be living during an age where we're right on the cusp of all these breakthroughs but we aren't quite there yet.

ok so the industrial revolution is all thanks to christianity?


that just gives me more reason to hate the christian religion.

If we never struggled we'd have no reason to be strong

and if we no longer need to struggle, we no loger need to be strong, we might as well die. what's your point, pro tech or con tech?

[5thHorseMan]

you have to remember that alot of technology we now possess is the result of aggression, the computer, satellite communications, concrete, mass production, steel hull ships, trains. These are all technologies created originally only for aggressive purposes, or were whose developments were greatly sped up by aggression.

A culture which does not compete, and aggression is a form of competition, does not advance. Look at Australian aborigines, Native Americans, look at the Gauls, Pict and Celts, in Roman era europe. All of these were predated by more aggressive competitive cultures.

Everyone needs to consider this when their making statements like, if it weren't for the violence of the middle ages, or other warlike periods, we would be more advanced. When in fact in many areas without war we would be less advanced. Not saying that a more peaceful less advanced culture would be a bad thing, just that in my opinion it would not be a more advanced culture, technologically speaking.

[DropDeadFred]

As far as the rest of the species on earth are concerned we stopped doing anything worthwhile a long time ago.
How much of this technology can we shoot into our arms before we are totally spun out or are we already. Will we as a species always be at some degree of technological poisoning and in extreme cases techno overdose?
I do not hate technological advancement. Its just that the groups steering it are not human friendly. The disposable unit society is not healthy. None of the consumer products that we made today are going to be here 50 years from now. Its junk. The kind of things that we are making degrade our environment. They degrade our body. Infectious diseases are down. Autoimmune diseases like arthritis, allergies, diabetes, MS, and crones are exploding. 1/3 Americans will have some form of cancer in their lifetime. 1/150 is autistic. Who knows about aeschburghers syndrome.

I put forth the theory that the more complex a society becomes the worse life is for any individual caught in that society. Until it gets so bad that people don't even give a fuck anymore and society collapses no is cannibalized. Our society is cold and calculating. Its powerful enough to trap us now but it is spun out no longer progressing. Waiting to be blown away by the next magnitude of baddest men alive.

[andruejaysin]

I'm not sure we would be that much more advanced than we are now. The dark ages refers to a period of history in western europe, but the byzantine (eastern roman) empire lasted a thousand years after the fall of the western empire. And then there's the 90% or so of the world which was never part of rome....