hi this is a thread from start ta finish of a plant called orange thunder...
tho wat kanman says is true a planty is not truely mature till it is off set leafs
they can be sexxed.. cloned.. budded and smoked all in like 3 months if u have a undersatnding of the process..
have a quick look , http://www.advancednutrients.com/for...ead.php?t=3957
hope this helps clear n e theroys on seed ta bud and maturity..
check the date on the posts from start a finish...pics of each stage are included...
always imhop..
keeps..