WT & Doughboy, spent hours reading your threads and attached ones--very interesting! I haven't set up yet, since, i plan to do outdoor and indoor, only if necessary-due to climate! But, the LED's make it look like I should just gro indoor, by reading all your info. However, I have outdoor on my mind! Thank you so much for sharing your info and everyone else that has input and the way you have integrated their info! Will continue read and enjoyment. someday, soon I expect I'd just better start again for myself. But, these LED's sound like a great way to go! Like you, I don't want a lot of extra stuff I won't use, so I'll wait for your perfect LED with result! You have so much work and research in this! Good luck with this one, its' looking good! Will keep following to learn! :thumbsup: