Driving with Marijuana

[daihashi]

nevermind... this thread could regain some purpose. I retract my previous sarcastic statement. :thumbsup:

[jsn9333]

First of all, neither coffee grains, nor pepper, nor *anything* prevents a dog from smelling weed. Dogs have superhuman smell... literally. They smell every ingredient in vegetable soup, where we humans smell the conglomeration of all the ingredients mixed together. That is why dogs are used instead of cops sniffing around themselves. There have been dogs that have smelled marijuana through a gas tank and gasoline and many layers of hard core plastic wrap and tape. If you let the weed sit in one spot long enough, the odor will permeate through any liquid, metal, or material. Watch the video "never get busted again" and you'll see records of this.

Secondly, odor permeates anything... but it does so over time. If you put tuna fish in a fresh ziplock bag (and make sure to use rubber gloves so you don't get *any* residue on the outside of the bag when sealing it) you will not smell it through the bag right away. But after a half hour or so you would be able to smell it through the bag. Odor permeates practically all materials over time.

The best thing to do if you want to drive with marijuana is to get rubber gloves and layer the weed in several layers of plastic, using the gloves to touch the bud and your uncontaminated hands to touch everything else (the bag seals, etc.). Then take the wrapped bud and put it in a thick nalgene bottle sealed as tight as you possibly can. I would think that would keep a dog from smelling it for a little bit. Then hide that thing in your bag or whatever.

If you do end up getting searched, and the weed is found in your bag, then your friend will not get in trouble as long as you speak up and claim the weed is yours. In order to get hit with "constructive possession" your friend has to be aware the weed was there and have the ability to legally go get it. Legally he can't go into your bag, so he'd be all good. Just don't put the weed in his spare tire or something... because then he might get hit with possession if they don't believe you that you put it there without his knowledge.

[jsn9333]

Check this out.

Breston (pictured police dog) uncovered a shipment of marijuana in heat-sealed Mylar bags, inside plastic-lined crates sealed with foam sealant, inside a closed storage garage.

Howstuffworks "How Police Dogs Work"

Damn! But then again, they say a dog's sense of smell is like 1000x greater then ours... so there ya go. The cops just train them so that they get a treat or a reward whenever they can point to a specific location where they smell it from.

I should train my dog to do that. That way instead of trying to find a dealer I could just take the pooch for a walk and whenever he alerts on someone just be like, "what's up man... got a quarter?"

[daihashi]

Check this out.

Breston (pictured police dog) uncovered a shipment of marijuana in heat-sealed Mylar bags, inside plastic-lined crates sealed with foam sealant, inside a closed storage garage.

Howstuffworks "How Police Dogs Work"

Damn! But then again, they say a dog's sense of smell is like 1000x greater then ours... so there ya go. The cops just train them so that they get a treat or a reward whenever they can point to a specific location where they smell it from.

I should train my dog to do that. That way instead of trying to find a dealer I could just take the pooch for a walk and whenever he alerts on someone just be like, "what's up man... got a quarter?"

oh man.. I wouldn't want to be involved in the trouble that would arise out of that confrontation!!

lol.. all the dealers I know are pretty rough, with the occassional hippy cool people.

[justanotherbozo]

Hey-

I go to college in a kind of remote area that makes pot kind of expensive. I'm going to my hometown for spring break where marijuana is more readily available and I was planning on bringing some back. I was just wondering if anyone had any tips on hiding marijuana when on a trip. I don't plan on smoking during the rode trip, but it's a 10 hour drive and since I'm fairly new to pot I'm kind of worried of getting caught with it.

Do air-tight containers keeps the dogs away or is it just impossible? Also, I'll be car pooling with a friend who would kind of worry about this kind of thing, so I'm considering not even telling him it's in my baggage. If we were to get searched and the cops were to find it, could I take the fall for it or would he too get in trouble even though he didn't know about it?
It won't be a large amount or anything, I just get nervous about this kind of thing easily.

Thanks for the advice.

even though this thread is very old, why hasn't anyone, especially the oldtimers, had anything to say about the lack of integrity here.
if one of my friends were to carry, in my car, without my knowledge, even if we didn't get busted, if i found out about it, that would end our friendship. if we got busted, when i got out, i'd bust his effing head.
there are many ways to stash your weed but this thread isn't the place to discuss them but rather, this guy should have been advised to NOT do it.

anyway, that's what i think for what it's worth


bozo,
peace, love, dope

[jsn9333]

I agree he shouldn't do it. And that has been said in this thread... and he has been told how to do it another way (the mail). I should have made that clear... I totally agree he should not do it.

What I've tried to do is to answer his original question, nonetheless. If he were to do it, then how could he do it without risking getting his friend in legal trouble? The legal answer is, "try to dog proof it as best as possible and keep it in your bag. Then, if busted, claim it as your bag and your weed, and acknowledge your friend knew nothing of it... and he won't be busted with you."

What I was taught in criminal law in law school is that doing that will eliminate the possibility of his friend being charged with a crime... even though it is his car.

even though this thread is very old, why hasn't anyone, especially the oldtimers, had anything to say about the lack of integrity here.
if one of my friends were to carry, in my car, without my knowledge, even if we didn't get busted, if i found out about it, that would end our friendship. if we got busted, when i got out, i'd bust his effing head.
there are many ways to stash your weed but this thread isn't the place to discuss them but rather, this guy should have been advised to NOT do it.

anyway, that's what i think for what it's worth


bozo,
peace, love, dope

[justanotherbozo]

I agree he shouldn't do it. And that has been said in this thread... and he has been told how to do it another way (the mail). I should have made that clear... I totally agree he should not do it.

What I've tried to do is to answer his original question, nonetheless. If he were to do it, then how could he do it without risking getting his friend in legal trouble? The legal answer is, "try to dog proof it as best as possible and keep it in your bag. Then, if busted, claim it as your bag and your weed, and acknowledge your friend knew nothing of it... and he won't be busted with you."

What I was taught in criminal law in law school is that doing that will eliminate the possibility of his friend being charged with a crime... even though it is his car.

but, if you went to law school, didn't you have any classes in ethics\ integrity?
i mean, come on man, advising someone on safe ways to lie and sneak about isn't appropriate here. IF it was HIS car then yeah, give advice on how to travel safely. i just think advising someone to lie to a friend is bullshit

[jsn9333]

I just don't see anything unethical about answering his question. I'll say again, I do not advise him to do it... he should use the mail instead. I should've said that right off the bat. I apologize for that coming across the wrong way. I was just focussed too narrowly on the legal aspect of his question.

But as far as the question... if anything I think it is quite ethical to answer the question. In fact, that is what free speech is all about... talking about things we don't necessarily like to talk about or approve of. The fact that our constitution allows us to talk about drugs whose use is a federal crime here is a testimony to the benefit that comes from the ability to frankly discuss topics that society views as bad (and the criminal laws against marijuana , federally and in most states, mean the society views it as bad).

It would be disrespectful for him to do what he was asking about. Whether it would be unethical I do not know. If he does it right, his friend faces no risk of criminal charges. As far as ethics, I think the police would be the only unethical people in that situation. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think it would be a "sin" (morally) to hide the weed from his friend if he did it in such a way as to completely guard his friend against any criminal liability. I do think it is a bit disrespectful though... it shows a lack of trust and would probably upset his friend very much if he found out.

I don't see it as a "lie" unless his friend asks him about it. I mean, if I use a radar gun to be able to drive 10mph over, but drop down to the speed limit when it signals a police radar, am I "lying"? Not really. I mean, "lie" has a definition... and that just isn't it. I'm being sneaky, and I'm trying to avoid a confrontation... but I'm not "lying".

but, if you went to law school, didn't you have any classes in ethics\ integrity?
i mean, come on man, advising someone on safe ways to lie and sneak about isn't appropriate here. IF it was HIS car then yeah, give advice on how to travel safely. i just think advising someone to lie to a friend is bullshit

[daihashi]

even though this thread is very old, why hasn't anyone, especially the oldtimers, had anything to say about the lack of integrity here.
if one of my friends were to carry, in my car, without my knowledge, even if we didn't get busted, if i found out about it, that would end our friendship. if we got busted, when i got out, i'd bust his effing head.
there are many ways to stash your weed but this thread isn't the place to discuss them but rather, this guy should have been advised to NOT do it.

anyway, that's what i think for what it's worth


bozo,
peace, love, dope

I didn't say anything because the thread is so old. The way I see it the person who originally posted this has already done whatever was done and there is no point in berating them over it now.

Instead I chose to see this as an oppurtunity to have people educate themselves on how to drive while in posession intelligently.

It's illegal, and not the smartest thing to do... but it's just about impossible to not do it at one point or another (I transport from my dealers place to mine... no smoking or anything of the sort and I have very good hiding spots).

So instead of turning this thread into something negative I was hoping people could turn it around and share their positive expierences.

That's why I retracted my sarcastic remark.

[justanotherbozo]

I just don't see anything unethical about answering his question. I'll say again, I do not advise him to do it... he should use the mail instead. I should've said that right off the bat. I apologize for that coming across the wrong way. I was just focussed too narrowly on the legal aspect of his question.

But as far as the question... if anything I think it is quite ethical to answer the question. In fact, that is what free speech is all about... talking about things we don't necessarily like to talk about or approve of. The fact that our constitution allows us to talk about drugs whose use is a federal crime here is a testimony to the benefit that comes from the ability to frankly discuss topics that society views as bad (and the criminal laws against marijuana , federally and in most states, mean the society views it as bad).

It would be disrespectful for him to do what he was asking about. Whether it would be unethical I do not know. If he does it right, his friend faces no risk of criminal charges. As far as ethics, I think the police would be the only unethical people in that situation. I guess what I'm saying is that I don't think it would be a "sin" (morally) to hide the weed from his friend if he did it in such a way as to completely guard his friend against any criminal liability. I do think it is a bit disrespectful though... it shows a lack of trust and would probably upset his friend very much if he found out.

I don't see it as a "lie" unless his friend asks him about it. I mean, if I use a radar gun to be able to drive 10mph over, but drop down to the speed limit when it signals a police radar, am I "lying"? Not really. I mean, "lie" has a definition... and that just isn't it. I'm being sneaky, and I'm trying to avoid a confrontation... but I'm not "lying".

i guess the term 'lie by omission' doesn't ring a bell?
i don't know man, it wasn't my intention to start an argument, especially in a thread that, as daihashi points out, is ancient history.
what happened in that situation happened long ago, the point is, NO-ONE advised him not to do it, just how to 'get away with it'.
to me that is something fundamentally wrong. SOMEONE should promote a high moral stance (no pun intended, lol).
i don't know man, i'm no expert, i'm just a middle aged parent with children that i watch as they grow and that's the kind of shit they're exposed to EVERYWHERE.
some things are just wrong and, in my book at least, lying to a friend is one of them. lying is never something we should take lightly (i DO lie, to officialdom about my cannabis use as an example), and ADVISING someone to lie is something, well, i don't want to belabor the point but, to me they're the same, morally.

bozo,
peace, love, dope