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06-26-2008, 03:58 AM #15
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does god produce sperm? serious question
Thats what I was saying before, and that's where we differ - I don't think that is a sufficient answer, not being able to comprehend it. So there's hardly more we can argue on this point - you're fine with the proposition that we can never understand it, but I want to find out more.
Originally Posted by illnillinois
Okay, yeah I haven't read the bible and I don't know much about the finer details... But didn't god order people to do things? And he's hardly doing that anymore, outside of people's - I don't want to say imaginations - beliefs I suppose. In the bible, god is clearly more active then he seems to be today.
Originally Posted by illnillinois
Exactly, and that's another non-answer in my opinion. "Beyond our ability to grasp" is basically a way of saying you can't answer the question. How is it justified? Instead of saying what you're saying, I would say it isn't justified at all, but there's nothing anybody can do about it - it's not about gods motives that we can't understand, it's just life. Shit happens. Good things happen. Why do we have to attribute them to god?
Originally Posted by illnillinois
No it's not. The ten commandments are loosely based upon the morals of the people who made them up, which are loosely the morals of many people today. So the law isn't based upon the ten commandments, it's based loosely on the morals of the people who made it up, which just so happens to be similar to the ten commandments.
Originally Posted by illnillinois
You'll probably say, 'but god made up the ten commandments'. But, even if god DOES exist, why should we accept his morals as correct? Why should we forfeit our own reasoning and morality, to conform to his will?
And I'd just like to add, morality doesn't necessarily at all coincide with the law at all - obviously anybody can see that, slavery for example.
That's not answering my question at all! I'll ask it differently. Do YOU think the killing of homosexuals, simply because they are homosexuals, is justified? Do YOU think the selling of daughters into slavery is justified? And don't talk about god or gods will, talk about what YOU believe.
Originally Posted by illnillinois
So why would god order people to kill homosexuals? You're still not answering the question.
Originally Posted by illnillinois
And I just wanna say, I've enjoyed this discussion - usually whenever I have discussions about god it turns into personal insults and shit, so cheers for keepin it to the point :jointsmile:
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