Quote Originally Posted by illnillinois
Life's lessons are learned and understood sometimes beyond our own understanding or not willing to except.. (being flesh)
Thats what I was saying before, and that's where we differ - I don't think that is a sufficient answer, not being able to comprehend it. So there's hardly more we can argue on this point - you're fine with the proposition that we can never understand it, but I want to find out more.


Quote Originally Posted by illnillinois
Jesus walked on earth and performed this things, god came down only once and that was in the old test... Yes its complicated.. God, Jesus and Holy ghost (holy spirit) are one in the same but are still 3 different persons.
Okay, yeah I haven't read the bible and I don't know much about the finer details... But didn't god order people to do things? And he's hardly doing that anymore, outside of people's - I don't want to say imaginations - beliefs I suppose. In the bible, god is clearly more active then he seems to be today.


Quote Originally Posted by illnillinois
We cant ever understand his reasons.. Why a child gets Cancer, or any other HORRIBLE thing children go thru..
Ever notice how a child suffering with these doesn't blame god, they are so humble and are examples of faith and love for your creator.
And how can it be justified to save a crack head from OD'ing but cant save a mother of 3 killed in a car crash.
Beyond our ability to grasp.
Exactly, and that's another non-answer in my opinion. "Beyond our ability to grasp" is basically a way of saying you can't answer the question. How is it justified? Instead of saying what you're saying, I would say it isn't justified at all, but there's nothing anybody can do about it - it's not about gods motives that we can't understand, it's just life. Shit happens. Good things happen. Why do we have to attribute them to god?

Quote Originally Posted by illnillinois
our entire legal system is based off the 10 commendments..
No it's not. The ten commandments are loosely based upon the morals of the people who made them up, which are loosely the morals of many people today. So the law isn't based upon the ten commandments, it's based loosely on the morals of the people who made it up, which just so happens to be similar to the ten commandments.
You'll probably say, 'but god made up the ten commandments'. But, even if god DOES exist, why should we accept his morals as correct? Why should we forfeit our own reasoning and morality, to conform to his will?
And I'd just like to add, morality doesn't necessarily at all coincide with the law at all - obviously anybody can see that, slavery for example.

Quote Originally Posted by illnillinois
that would be the $300,000,001 dollar question..
"HOW TO MAKE SOME LOVE YOU, WITHOUT AFFECTING FREE WILL"
That's not answering my question at all! I'll ask it differently. Do YOU think the killing of homosexuals, simply because they are homosexuals, is justified? Do YOU think the selling of daughters into slavery is justified? And don't talk about god or gods will, talk about what YOU believe.


Quote Originally Posted by illnillinois
God doesn't sit around and enjoy people suffering.. and it does hurt God.
So why would god order people to kill homosexuals? You're still not answering the question.


And I just wanna say, I've enjoyed this discussion - usually whenever I have discussions about god it turns into personal insults and shit, so cheers for keepin it to the point :jointsmile: