Republican Party to make race an issue: Obama

[BigWeed]

I agree with you but at what point do you let go of your resentment. There can't be any healing unless you forgive. I'm not saying that they do not have a right to be angry because obviously there is much to be angry about, but as Americans they have to let it go as well. It's to the point to where other races are scared to say anything related to blacks in fear of being hunted down in a modern day witch hunt. It's ridiculous. We should be working together to build a unified nation that is blind to color.

edit: I should note that my response above was in regards to both sides of the equation. Non black people need to understand the hardships that Black americans went through here. Similarly Black Americans need to realize that most of America legitimately is sorry and are wanting to make progress just like they do. We both want the same thing and we should be cooperating to achieve it. I guess that's the point I was trying to make.

I agree with you Daihashi on everyting you have said. My parents and most african americans have forgiven america. My dad has always told me he will always forgive but he will never forget. I geuss thats why so many hold on to there anger. :rasta::rastasmoke:imp:

[Psycho4Bud]

I just had the "privilage" of cleaning up this piss fest. We can debate without the insults to each other in here. IF you can't, don't post!

Have a good one!:jointsmile:

[Psycho4Bud]

Hey man I have to disagree on this. There will be some fools that will play the race card and that will happen. John Mccain wont do it and his campain team wont do it that would be suicide for him your right on that. But the 527 groups will and they will paint him as a angry black man.

McCain won't do it and if a 527 group tries it I believe that it would have the same effects on the McCain campaign. "Guilt by association".

There is so much with the Rev. Wright and Trinity Church in the way of racism that I find it disturbing that Obama waited for so long to leave.

I agree with you Daihashi on everyting you have said. My parents and most african americans have forgiven america. My dad has always told me he will always forgive but he will never forget. I geuss thats why so many hold on to there anger. :rasta::rastasmoke:imp:

My point exactly....what the Rev. was preaching wasn't a sermon of forgiveness but a message of hate. My question to you would be this; would you have a close friend, mentor, that was racist? As for myself, there have been a few friends in the past that I have said goodbye to because of this issue. I find racism disgusting and I don't want to be associated with people of this ignorant mindset!

Have a good one!:s4:

[AspenGrow]

Obama using 'white guilt,' Nader says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Ralph Nader's presidential candidacy has received little media attention, but his latest critique of Sen. Barack Obama has come under fire for its seemingly racial overtones.

Speaking with Colorado's Rocky Mountain News, Nader accused Obama of attempting to "talk white" and appealing to "white guilt" in his quest to win the White House.

"There's only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He's half African-American," Nader told the paper in comments published Tuesday.

"Whether that will make any difference, I don't know. I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We'll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards," Nader added.

Obama said Wednesday in Chicago, Illinois, that Nader was simply trying to "get attention."

"What's clear is, Ralph Nader hasn't been paying attention to my speeches," he said. "Ralph Nader's trying to get attention. He's become a perennial political candidate. I think it's a shame, because if you look at his legacy ... it's an extraordinary one. ... At this point, he's somebody who's trying to get attention, whose campaign hasn't gotten any traction." Video Watch panelists weigh in on Nader's remarks »

Obama's presidential campaign earlier had called Nader's comments disappointing, and his communication's director, Robert Gibbs, said Tuesday that they were "reprehensible and basically delusional."

"I don't think he's spent a lot of time looking at the record of Barack Obama," Gibbs said on MSNBC.

Nader is a longtime consumer advocate who was blamed by many Democrats for Al Gore's loss in the 2000 presidential election; they said he claimed votes that would otherwise have gone to their candidate.

He said Obama's top issue should be poverty in America, given his racial heritage.

"I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas, and have a very detailed platform about how the poor is going to be defended by the law, is going to be protected by the law and is going to be liberated by the law," he said. "Haven't heard a thing."

Nader also said Obama is making a concerted effort not to be "another politically threatening African-American politician."

"He wants to appeal to white guilt. You appeal to white guilt not by coming on as black is beautiful, black is powerful. Basically, he's coming on as someone who is not going to threaten the white power structure, whether it's corporate or whether it's simply oligarchic. And they love it. Whites just eat it up."

Nader formally entered the presidential race in the spring, expressing disappointment with both remaining Democratic candidates at that time.

"They are both enthralled to the corporate powers," he said of both Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton. "They've completely ignored the presidential pattern of illegality and accountability; they've ignored the out of control waste-fraud military expenditures; they hardly ever mention the diversion of hundreds of billions of dollars to corporate subsidies, handouts and giveaways; and they don't talk about a living wage."

But I thought Obama was the only one making this campaign about race?

[dragonrider]

I am so tired of Ralph Nader. He did some great work in the past, but now he is just an annoyance.

[BigWeed]

McCain won't do it and if a 527 group tries it I believe that it would have the same effects on the McCain campaign. "Guilt by association".

There is so much with the Rev. Wright and Trinity Church in the way of racism that I find it disturbing that Obama waited for so long to leave.



My point exactly....what the Rev. was preaching wasn't a sermon of forgiveness but a message of hate. My question to you would be this; would you have a close friend, mentor, that was racist? As for myself, there have been a few friends in the past that I have said goodbye to because of this issue. I find racism disgusting and I don't want to be associated with people of this ignorant mindset!

Have a good one!:s4:

No I would not have someone like that around me. Rev Wright did have a chance to apologize when he came back and made those speeches and he didnt he showed his ass. It made me mad my father and many blacks angry. Now I know your going to say how come Obama didnt leave a long time ago. This is what I think maybe he was not a devoted church goer and he didnt attend every sunday Im not a devoted church goer myself. I think that if he just said that he would be okay thats just my 2 cents. I just think he used the church for political gains to build his support in the black community. Just because one sheep in the flock is bad(Rev Wright) doesnt mean the rest are. My pops tells me that all the time.:rasta::rastasmoke:imp:

[Psycho4Bud]

Just because one sheep in the flock is bad(Rev Wright) doesnt mean the rest are. My pops tells me that all the time.:rasta::rastasmoke:imp:

But he described this man as his "spiritual mentor" and named his book from one of the dudes sermons. (The Audacity of Hope)

Then his other "friend", Rev. Pledger....his words speak for themselves. How can he associate with this type of racism and then proclaim himself as a uniter? I just don't get it....

Hey, hope everything is going well for ya!! How ya feelin' these days my friend?

Have a good one!:s4:

[BigWeed]

You do make a good point about that. I just dont think Obama feels the same way they do his up bringing is just to strong to make him a ratical. He is a good man Im not saying vote for him just give him a chance for now to prove that he is not a ratical person and that he does have goodness in his heart. I know I wont vote for Mccain but I do know he has a good heart.

Im at about 80% I still have some lifting restrictions and can only work a few hours of the day but I feel fine. Ill be cleared by the doctor in august and be at full strengh at the end of the year. I just hope they dont go up on my insurance i been saving for a new motorcycle.:rasta::rastasmoke:imp:

Oh yeah I got a new grow room up with some new strains Ill put up a new log in the grow forum for all you guys to check out peace.:hippy:

[Psycho4Bud]

Im at about 80% I still have some lifting restrictions and can only work a few hours of the day but I feel fine. Ill be cleared by the doctor in august and be at full strengh at the end of the year. I just hope they dont go up on my insurance i been saving for a new motorcycle.:rasta::rastasmoke:imp:

Oh yeah I got a new grow room up with some new strains Ill put up a new log in the grow forum for all you guys to check out peace.:hippy:

Glad to hear things are on the upside for ya....been a long time in the making if I recall correctly.

Can't wait to see the grow log......BIGWEED IS BACK IN THE SADDLE AGAIN!!:thumbsup:

Have a good one!:s4:

[BigWeed]

Grover Norquist has a label for Barack Obama

John McCain has been trying hard of late to link Barack Obama with Jimmy Carter in the public consciousness, hoping that the "ineffectual" label that many voters affix to the former president will prove transferable.
But Grover Norquist -- the conservative activist who specializes in promoting an anti-tax agenda and, more generally, revels in the role of agent provocateur -- is offering a different comparison.
Norquist dropped by The Times' Washington bureau today and, as part of his negative critique of Obama's liberal stances on economic issues and other matters, he termed the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee "John Kerry with a tan."
Since Norquist isn't running for anything, he can get away with such remarks; we doubt McCain will be incorporating the line into his speeches anytime soon.
Norquist's clout on the right is such, however, that McCain and his aides will pay attention to his thoughts on who would fit well in the second spot on the GOP's presidential ticket. And in his chat with Times' reporters and editors, he was especially high on Bobby Jindal, the recently elected governor of Louisiana.
Norquist touted Jindal's success in pushing through tax-cut and ethics reform legislation during his short tenure as Louisiana's chief executive (no mention was made of the flap surrounding the governor for failing, so far, to live up to a promise to block a pay raise for state legislators).
Nominating Jindal for vice president also would generate a mother lode of contributions for Republicans from Americans of East Indian descent, Norquist predicted.
Another recipient of kind words as a veep prospect was Gov. Tim Pawlenty of Minnesota; Norquist praised his record on taxes save for one "mistake" -- approving a hike in state cigarette taxes in years past.
Norquist's most recent book is entitled "Leave Us Alone," which makes the case that Republicans can put together a post-Ronald Reagan governing coalition by appealing to voters who want government to stay out of their affairs.
Along those lines, he predicted that one reason conservative radio talk show hosts will rally behind McCain -- who many of them have been cool toward -- is that some Democratic leaders are advocating a return of the "fairness doctrine." That's the abandoned federal rule that required broadcasters to give equal time to opposing political viewpoints.
[UPDATE: John Kartch, Norquist's director of communications, e-mailed Friday with "two concerns" about the post. "One, it suggests that Grover was singling out Kerry. The entire statement was that Obama had no policy differences with Carter in 1980, [Walter] Mondale, [Michael] Dukakis, [Al] Gore or Kerry. 'Kerry with a tan,' was simply Kerry was the latest of the string. Two, to be fair to Kerry, Grover pointed out that even Kerry's reputation as a snob never went as far as Obama's contemptuous comment on middle America "clinging" to its guns and faith.]
-- Don Frederick


All I got to say is this guy is a idiot. John Kerry with a tan hahaha LMAO.:rasta::rastasmoke:imp:


Lets see what Mccain does about this.Peace:hippy: