First log, CFLs & PHarvest?!

[Wert]

Well guys, I've been around here soaking in all the information for quite some time. I think about three years now? I've got about 5 grows under my belt this is my 6th. I'd like to thank everyone on the board here by the way because without you guys I would never have been able to get this far.

I'm using FFOF with the FF 3 Part Nutrients. All of my strains are from bagseed, I am skeptical posting this let alone mailing seeds to my house. My lights are 7 6500K 27W Daylight and 6 3700K(I think?) Cool White Bulbs for a total of 13 bulbs and 351 watts.

All plants, minus the two in the 20oz bottles, are in day 22 of flower.

1st pic - Quick snap of flower chamber.
2nd-4th - My friend got a seed from some high quality buddies that was called "Kali Mix." It is a very resilient strain and isn't as responsive to underwatering as my other plants are. I'd be interested to see if anyone else can see any resemblances with this and another strain? I believe these two came from a clone off of the mother. 3rd Generation?

More pics uploaded very soon.

Wert Reviewed by Wert on 06-20-2008. First log, CFLs & PHarvest?! Well guys, I've been around here soaking in all the information for quite some time. I think about three years now? I've got about 5 grows under my belt this is my 6th. I'd like to thank everyone on the board here by the way because without you guys I would never have been able to get this far. I'm using FFOF with the FF 3 Part Nutrients. All of my strains are from bagseed, I am skeptical posting this let alone mailing seeds to my house. My lights are 7 6500K 27W Daylight and 6 3700K(I Rating: 5

[Wert]

Introducing the other ladies. These were not completely mature when thrown into flower, opposed to the Kali's which already had mini buds on it.(Started alternating leaf sets about 4 days into flower)

Pic 1 - Bagseed, fat indica leaves.
Pic 2 - Bagseed, lots of sativa qualities.
Pic 3 - Solo cup, cheap walmart dirt project, nothing special.

[Wert]

As you can see the two in the 20oz cups in my first post are the first batch of my attempt at a perpetual harvest. (Very similar to DrBudGreenGenes grow) This is my current very ghetto very cheap mother/clone chamber. It has 2 27W Daylight CFL's on 24/0, basically a UHaul box covered in emergency blanket.

1st Pic - Outside look.
2nd Pic - Kali Mix mother, she needs a nice dose of Grow Big soon. Also, I kept a mother of the Indica and the Sativa just incase I want to keep the strain alive. We'll have to see what kind of yields these babies produce! If you look at the 20oz bottles I put them in there on the 17th, the roots are already reaching the bottom!
3rd Pic - More Kali, Indy, Sati clones waiting to root to be thrown into the mix.


Let me know what you guys think!

[Shovelhandle]

I like what your doing there. Looking fine for a ghetto grow, Bub!

Best of luck.

Shov

[hudson88]

Looking real good wert, looking forward to seeing them buds grow

[Wert]

Thanks for the comments guys, I just realized I was kinda vague on the flower room. Here are some pics if anyones confused.


Pic 1 - Its a closet grow, I have a rack on the upper portion of the closet which comes in handy for suspending my lights and my ghetto reflector.

Pic 2 - Here is the rectangle cut in the top of the reflector so that the lights can hang easily, I was thinking about maybe putting some pc fans to exhaust the heat from the lights, but im sort of confused about how to convert the pcs fans into something that will plug in a standard outlet. (I'm definately no electrician)

Pic 3 - Heres a view of the closet when the lights are normally on. When lights are off, two blankets nailed to the top part of the closet come down, making it light tight.

[Wert]

Nothing really new today, I put the first sativa clone into 12/12. I need to get a better system going so I can put multiples in at once instead of one every other day. The Kali Mix for some reason is incredibly difficult to clone, the indica was ready to be potted in 6 days, whereas the Kali has been known to take over 3 weeks! Some tend to grow big stubs on the end and dont really root, but the foliage looks perfectly healthy.

[Rusty Trichome]

Since humidity is so high, I'd keep those clones off the edge of the clone box.
Has a tendency to cause leaf distress and mold. Sorta like a drop of water that never evaporates.

Also, do you always trim-back so drastically? If so, how come?
I used to do that so my posted pictures looked better, but it slows the growth and unnecessarily stresses her.

[Wert]

Since humidity is so high, I'd keep those clones off the edge of the clone box.
Has a tendency to cause leaf distress and mold. Sorta like a drop of water that never evaporates.

Hmm, that makes alot of sense haha.

Also, do you always trim-back so drastically? If so, how come?
I used to do that so my posted pictures looked better, but it slows the growth and unnecessarily stresses her.

No, I don't normally trim back that much. For some reason I never topped the two big mamas, (I should have!!!) they are growing above the lights in the back of the chamber. I've basically been cutting them around the lights opposed to fitting the lights around them. I do this mainly just to focus the lights on the Kali Mix. It's wierd too the side buds are getting much larger whereas the colas aren't seeing as much production.

I've always been interested in the debate on whether or not trimming fan leaves so the buds recieve more light was a beneficial process. Most people say that light on buds doesn't effect production, but if that is so, why are the buds closer to the light getting bigger than even the main cola?

[Rusty Trichome]

...I've basically been cutting them around the lights opposed to fitting the lights around them. I do this mainly just to focus the lights on the Kali Mix. It's wierd too the side buds are getting much larger whereas the colas aren't seeing as much production.

I've always been interested in the debate on whether or not trimming fan leaves so the buds recieve more light was a beneficial process. Most people say that light on buds doesn't effect production, but if that is so, why are the buds closer to the light getting bigger than even the main cola?

I did an experiment a while back. I had two clones from same sativa, (Swazi) and I didn't top 'em. On one I removed a couple of fan leaves from the main cola's branch, to allow light to lower budsites. On the other I left untouched.

On the one with the fan leaves removed, main cola slowed her growth allowing lower budsites to catch-up vertically. On the other, the main cola continued normal growth, and filled-in nicely.


Results at harvest:
(no scale in years, so don't know weights)
1. Main cola on untrimmed lady was rock hard and approx. triple the size of the other. Was about 10" long 3 1/2" in diameter. Normal secondary buds...a bit airy, but smokable, lol.
2. Main cola on trimmed fan leaves plant was almost as short as normal secondary buds, which ended-up almost as tall as main cola, netting lower yeild overall. Cola was about 7" long, a couple of inches in diameter.
Secondary buds were a bit larger and possibly a tad firmer than the other, but did not make-up for the lesser cola yeild overall. The bowl of Untrimmed disassembled plant was fuller than the other, and you could feel the dry weight difference.

Not scientific, and just one experiment...but same conditions, same light, same everything except removing a few of the fan leaves from the main cola.
Not sure if it's a 'light' issue, or it's removing that branches storehouse of nutes, hormones and minerals which slows it's growing tips, or what, but it did convince me to push the leaves aside rather than plucking them.

Overall, if a leaf is already looking sorry, and is in the way, I'll pluck it. Otherwise the most I do is push it out of the way.

However, SOG growers trim all the undergrowth, don't they? Perhaps that's the difference,
Taking from the top: not so good.
Taking from the bottom: not so bad?
Hmmm.....