I can see where both sides are coming from in some ways yeah they are a bit pointless for a normal grow because you can just flower normal strains as soon as the veg stage starts and get bud in the same time.

I was actually thinking of getting a few diesel riders why? because they can sit in veg under the hps and flower whilst my others are coming along and i will have something to smoke whilst i wait also for outdoor growing they're brilliantly practical they wouldn't be noticed with other plants whearas a five foot budding monstor in your garden may arouse suspicions so theres some good uses but i agree they should not be used as a replacement for cuttings.