old urine

[tacophish]

I use a Urinator, and I generally buy Synthetic Urine (Dr. John's Famous Pee Pee). I have some old vials left, but they are quite old (1 is over 2 years old and the other more than a year.) They are yellow still, and have been kept in a dark bag this whole time. I don't want to pay to overnight some more... Anybody have any idea what the worst case scenario would be using the old synthetic? I have a test coming up soon.

[jeffman]

Well there was a answer to Mr C by a mod Sec on the other site.....

quick fix is a huge seller ..its always been my theory that in reality its not hard to really catch on to the synthetic...when you are a large lab and you get a huge number of results turning out the same..ie..same Ph same creatinine levels same everything and then they test quickfix and have the same results they can tell..this is just my theory on it...could be wrong but it makes sense for quickfix to make changes accordingly

And Sec (Moderator) says....

Don't deceive yourselves, the laboratories and the government know about synthetic urine. There is current discussion regarding just that subject. The general jist of the buzz is that the government will make it illegal on a federal level to manufacture, posess, ship or use any substance designed to beat a lawfully administered controlled substances test. I would guess that within a year or two, this will actually materialize.

Another tidbit:

As of August 25, 2008 it will become mandatory all DOT return-to-duty and follow-up drug tests be observed. Not monitored, not 'supervised', but observed. Currently, it is left up to the employer whether these tests are observed. So if you fail a DOT test for any reason from now on out, expect observed tests if you ever want to have hope of getting your job back.

I just think it's all interesting and the thread is about dead. I hope we never see the day products like QF become illeagel...

[Burnt Toast]

Thanks for the info, but the quote from MR.C was that the labs would test for the actual ph and creatinin levels, not just that it was over a certain level. And further, that they would see that so many samples had the same exact Creatinin count, THEN they would test the quick fix, see that is the same creatinin level as of the test's they did, and then be able to detect quick fix.

I do not think that that is possible, as I don't believe the labs would ever test for exact levels, if it passes the quick validity and drug test, they would never spend the extra money to diagnose the samples.

When labs perform validity testing (pH, creatinine, specific gravity) they do analyze the actual levels in order to rule if the urine sample is either "diluted" "adulterated" or "substituted". For the initial analysis, a colorimetric assay is utilized. This type of assay gives a semi-quantitive value for each constituent panel based on the color reaction. An example of this assay can be found on the craigmedical website.

The test strips that Ive mentioned earlier are essentially the same colorimetric assays the labs use.

Mr Cs theory is off the mark a bit. A synthetic sample is ruled "non-human" when..
a) The creatinine level is zero while the other constituents are within satisfactory ranges

b) All of the constituents have broken down to zero.
These conditions are indicative of an old expired synthetic batch, or a batch that was exposed to direct sunlight.

Like I said earlier, as long as the synthetic is current and been stored properly, it will pass the validity checks.