Episode 3...Revenge of the LED

[Weezard]

dosed em with an organic insecticide/fungicide...mostly fish oil...room smells like blue crab now....lol Mixed it in with the watering, and gave a light foliar with it just in case....
whiskeytango

No forget to do it again, later!

Dese buggahs are like Uke, (Fleas), dey got a life cycle.
Gotta keep hittin' 'em or dey come back.
You now got thousands of pupae inna dirt.
Dey hatch, hump, n lay eggs firs' t'ing.

Bug-o-cide dem buggahs.
Den cover da dirt an' kill da growed-up flies,
Den killum again!
Den gettum some "snot onna sponge "to keepum dead!

Can ya tell I no like fungus gnats?
Long story.

l8tr
Weez

[jakezking]

WT, your grow seems to be going well, despite some possible nute and bug issues. That 1 HKxBI is insane! Any thoughts to keeping it as a mom since it's such a flippin' monster? I'm glad to see your plants have made an excellent recovery from their early issues, and I hope you are able to address the nute and bug issues quickly. I am glad to see you have some insightful members with much experience in here to lend you good advice.

[SnSstealth]

thanks jake!!! that monster may be used for breeding...think it may be a male though.....
whiskeytango

[Weedhound]

Stealth I've been having bug issues too....not gnats but white flys and they have done some damage. I made it worse by not realizing it was bug damage and tried some other treatments before I ended up blasting the bugs and solving the problem. Hope it works for you too.

[MVP]

Gnats are particularly frustrating. They dig down into the dirt and hide there, laying eggs that larvae attach to the roots and cause their health to deteriorate. I ignored them as an inconvenience until funky things started happening with root rot, etc. and by then it was a MUCH bigger problem... and harder to solve. It sucked bad. Kill those little fuckers and their eggs ASAP. :twocents:

[Weedhound]

Is there something you can put in the soil to kill them?

[SnSstealth]

i watered the soil with that organic insecticide/funguside.....havent seen ANY....but will add some to the next watering along with nutes and cal-mag....dont worry WH, I promise to check Ph of this mix before add ing:thumbsup:.....lol
whiskeytango

guess I was thrown off cause there were no signs o bugs on the plant itself...could these gnats/whiteflies be whats causing the yellowing on some of these still? and the veg growth has definitely slowed down it seems.....one of the SNLxNH didnt make it outta the funk:wtf: WH, crispi...you guys ever have any issues with the SNLxNH? knurled leaves or anything? seems those and the church cant shake this yellowing....all the others have come out of it...

[lunarose]

Hi,

Have you tried Gnatrol? Its made from bacillus thuringiensis bacteria which is suppose to be safe and non toxic I have used it in the past and it worked for me.

[Weezard]

i watered the soil with that organic insecticide/funguside.....havent seen ANY....but will add some to the next watering along with nutes and cal-mag....dont worry WH, I promise to check Ph of this mix before add ing:thumbsup:.....lol
whiskeytango

guess I was thrown off cause there were no signs o bugs on the plant itself...could these gnats/whiteflies be whats causing the yellowing on some of these still? and the veg growth has definitely slowed down it seems.....one of the SNLxNH didnt make it outta the funk:wtf: WH, crispi...you guys ever have any issues with the SNLxNH? knurled leaves or anything? seems those and the church cant shake this yellowing....all the others have come out of it...

Aloha WT et al

If you had whitefly, it would be readily appearant.
Shake the plant and stand back. They are much bigger dan gnats and they fly erratically, like moths

I'd be willing to bet that the church is in this brand of trouble.
FUNGUS GNAT chirruns!

A single dose of insecticide will not work!
Here is what you are up against;
Life Cycle

Females live about a week and lay 30 to 120 eggs singly or in batches of up to 30 on the soil. Eggs hatch in 4 to 7 days (Steffan 1966). Larval development requires about 8 to 20 days, depending upon temperatures. The resting pupal stage lasts about 3 to 5 days and is located near the soil surface.

Adult flies do not damage plants directly, but are objectionable to consumers and cannot be tolerated on potted plants in hospitals, grocery stores, or florist shops. Adults can emerge from immature forms after sale even when none were evident earlier. Larvae feed on decaying matter and on healthy and diseased roots in the soil medium. They can be particularly damaging to seedlings and other small plants. Damaged roots provide conditions for root diseases, further complicating fungus gnat management and crop health.

for the whole skinny;

Management of Fungus Gnats in Ornamentals

When the foundation is gone, the church will crumble.
No want dat!

Or, in plain english,
Bad things are happening underground.
Do not delay!

Good luck brah.

Wee (hate dem buggah) Zard

[Weezard]

Found this to be interesting.

Many indoor gardeners can live with even this relatively minor threat to the health of their plants. But now, after reassuring growers for years that the gnats were largely a cosmetic problem, researchers have found the threat doesn't end there. In a recent breakthrough, Harris has shown that both fungus gnat larvae and adults occasionally transmit a variety of diseases. She's proved they spread black root rot and Pythium wilt and suspects they transmit many other fungal pathogens as well. It's akin to discovering dust miites carry the common cold.

and

Simply take advantage of the fungus gnat larvae's preference for the upper soil layers and add a half-inch layer of sand to the tops of their bulb pots. "It really works," says Steward. "The eggs probably dried out, or perhaps the adults couldn't emerge."

Sounds like a good idea, after a larvacide, of course.

Wee,