Quote Originally Posted by Dave Byrd
Man, y'all went back and forth so much here that it exhausts me to read it. I'm not sure anything'll get people who don't believe in the rule of law or due process to ever persuade them otherwise, Dragonrider.

The one person who'd still be in here fighting the good fight with you, Dragonrider, and speaking truth to misperception, is MIA till Wednesday or Thursday. My better half, Mrs. (Birdgirl) Byrd, is cooling her heels in the hospital. We put her in there last night to start her on some new medicine to slow down her heart rhythm. I'll tell her what she's missing.

Not sure how long everyone here in this discussion besides P4B and Birdie and Breukelen Advocaat have been reading this forum. It certainly stands out now compared to what it once was. Major improvement in the tone. Civil debate like this used to be unheard of here. The factthat it exists now really has smartened up the place.
Eh... actually I think Dragonrider and I have come to the conclusion that we both essentially agree with each other for the End Goal Results (due process or process of some sort) but we just view it differently on how we need to get there.

I hope Birdgirl is alright. Give her my best wishes. I don't know her well but I thoroughly enjoy her posts/discussions as they are typically well written and well informed/educated. Something I greatly admire in people.

Funny thing is the two who are arguing the most stringently against it here would no doubt be the first to insist upon it for themselves or their family members if they were accused or being indefinitely held in other countries.
I think this would be true of anyone in that situation. Self preservation is a natural instinct. To say that someone wouldn't insist upon it or try to get it is a little bit silly. Of course we would, but what we want and what is *right* are two different things. And what is right or wrong is different from place to place, country to country and from person to person.

Again give the Misses my best Wishes. (damn.. I should become a rapper. My rhymes are so awesome.. lol j/k). :thumbsup: :hippy: