Quote Originally Posted by daihashi
Here in America most employers.. MOST... will pay for your health insurance. You might have to pay some small fee $20-$100 monthly for an individual, but at least we're not being taxed 50% or more unlike other Socialized governments where yes, everyone has medical care, but it takes forever to see a doctor.

I have canadian friends that travel into the United States to recieve healthcare.

Now if we're talking about pharmaceutical companies then I would have to agree. They are overpriced and seem to find new ways to undermine the American people to steal their money.

I find it funny how many people talk so much crap about America and the Social programs or lack there of that we have; yet when someone needs military help they welcome us with open arms.. then proceed to continue to talk crap when it's over.

I am not a fan of socialized services. I don't believe I should be punished for someone elses inability to get health insurance. In addition we have government funded programs such as Medicaid and Medicare (which I am familiar with as my brother, being handicapped, recieves government health care)... and in Texas I believe we even have a state funded program in addition to that. They are not the best but to be honest I bet they're at least on par with other socialized forms of healthcare in other countries.

If everyone is equal then who get's to ever see a doctor.. and if everyone is getting this service free of charge then who is paying for it?

Socialized programs have their own issues that you must acknowledge.

We actually have alot of programs here in America; most of which we've made sure my brother has gotten or is eligible for. I feel most of the complaint of the American people is out of laziness. It took time to get all these programs for my brother but we did get them, and we don't pay anything for his healthcare.

Sorry that we don't hand out services, we do require some effort on the people's part which I feel deters alot of people who don't truely need it and are capable of providing for themselves.

Remember when you point your finger at someone there are 3 more that are pointed right back at you :P.
America has social programs for health care, but not enough for them. The danger for Americans are not the ones who are eligible for coverage, it's the ones who aren't. Once that Certificate of Coverage expired you are basically dead as a dog on the street if you have a terminal illness. Medicaid or Medicare won't pay for chemotherapy, won't pay for the necessary clean-up surgeries. They'll pay enough to keep you comfortible unti death even if it's a treatable form of cancer.

I can see what you are saying that there is a laziness factor, but for the most part people are denied procedures based on their medical history and cost-saving measures. I'm not saying the solution is universal health care, but such a system where the government plays more of a role covering procedures health insurance companies won't cover. Have the government subsidize medical deductions to pay for the best health care for those that don't make alot of money. Allow people coverage for all life-saving procedures regardless if they have a job or not. No one should be denied treatment based on a pre-existing condition. A dual system could off-set costs while allowing medical companies to profit with more oversight and ethics. Might pay a bit more in tax, but with less being deducted from your paycheck for insurance, you wouldn't lose anything.