Do You Think John McCain Represents â??Changeâ?�?

[daihashi]

There is no governemnt agency that will pay for them either. He's not a lazy person who doesn't want to work. He's a disabled worker who can't get the medical care to return to work.

There is.. tell him to contact his congressman. It did not take that much time in the grand scheme of things to get my brother his benefits. We contacted my brothers congressman and things started happening.

It's like the American people don't realize they are allowed to contact their Congressmen. :thumbsup:

[BigWeed]

So the needs of the few outweight the needs of the many?

I'm not trying to sound callous but there are government programs available to help you in such situations. And yes while it is usually an ordeal and a hassle to get approved for these programs you will get through eventually. It took my brother 6 months to get full benefits from the government. Including getting about 2k a month for being handicapped for his own personal needs.

You ask what does McCain have to offer you? Well you may be right, but what does Obama have to offer you?

Has he actually explained what he has planned and HOW he plans to achieve these goals and HOW these plans are going to impact other parts of your life? Things are not free my friend. The money has to come from somewhere and I'm willing to bet it will be coming out of your paycheck.

This is the third post where you've ranted just making empty statements. Do you actually know anything about Barack Obama?

I have gone back to work to early because I had to. As for those Government programs I dont Qualify I still make to much money to Qualify I just had to reararange my life style and my wife went back to work. All Im saying dont punish me because Im injured and cut me and make me pay higher permiums. Do you know anthing about John Mccain and what he plans to do for health care putting more money in my pockets putting my kids through school and giving them a future.:rasta::rastasmoke:imp:

[painretreat]

I thinK McCain answered a lot today when he expressed his views of Gitmo! Obviously, Rebgirl is right, no change at all! Voting the lesser of 2 evils for her.

Change, I think not! Obama, change will be of color, I guees!

This is not the first time we have had little to choose from. Who can honestly say we have experienced real change with anyone, except when we went to war with absolutely no diplomacy! Or when Nixon took us out of Viet Nam, as we requested and we were allowed to be, slightly a public nuisance to do it!:hippy:

Initially, we will continue to change for the worse, to blame that on either candidate would be unfair. It takes awhile to stop a snowball from going downhill, once you take over the ideology! Even if it is the same! So, at what point would you expect to see a change?

[daihashi]

I have gone back to work to early because I had to. As for those Government programs I dont Qualify I still make to much money to Qualify I just had to reararange my life style and my wife went back to work. All Im saying dont punish me because Im injured and cut me and make me pay higher permiums. Do you know anthing about John Mccain and what he plans to do for health care putting more money in my pockets putting my kids through school and giving them a future.:rasta::rastasmoke:imp:

First let's see some of the things he's done in the past to try to help with healthcare:

Voted for 350 billion dollars for prescription drugs for poor Seniors in May of 2002:

Supported Tax credits for those without employee Health Insruance in May of 2002

Voted No on blocking medical savings accounts (where you get to take money out pretax and set it aside for medical needs for the year.. thus saving you some money) April 1996

Voted Yes for increasing Tobacco Restrictions June 1998

Voted Yes on funding for GOP version of Medicare prescription Drug benefit. April 2001

Voted yes for allowing patients to sue HMO's and collect punitive Damages. June 2001

Voted YES on increasing Medicaid rebate for producing generics. (Nov 2005)

Voted YES on negotiating bulk purchases for Medicare prescription drug. (Mar 2005)



That's some of his past voting record on healthcare.. Not bad, but at the same time not really that impressive. However Most of his voting record is in the positive direction.

Here is an excerpt from a speech he gave recently on what he has planned for healthcare in America.

The key to real reform is to restore control over our health-care system to the patients themselves. Right now, even those with access to health care often have no assurance that it is appropriate care. Too much of the system is built on getting paid just for providing services, regardless of whether those services are necessary or produce quality care and outcomes. American families should only pay for getting the right care: care that is intended to improve and safeguard their health.

When families are informed about medical choices, they are more capable of making their own decisions, less likely to choose the most expensive and often unnecessary options, and are more satisfied with their choices. We took an important step in this direction with the creation of Health Savings Accounts, tax-preferred accounts that are used to pay insurance premiums and other health costs. These accounts put the family in charge of what they pay for. And, as president, I would seek to encourage and expand the benefits of these accounts to more American families.

Americans need new choices beyond those offered in employment-based coverage. Americans want a system built so that wherever you go and wherever you work, your health plan is goes with you. And there is a very straightforward way to achieve this.

Under current law, the federal government gives a tax benefit when employers provide health-insurance coverage to American workers and their families. This benefit doesn't cover the total cost of the health plan, and in reality each worker and family absorbs the rest of the cost in lower wages and diminished benefits. But it provides essential support for insurance coverage. Many workers are perfectly content with this arrangement, and under my reform plan they would be able to keep that coverage. Their employer-provided health plans would be largely untouched and unchanged.

But for every American who wanted it, another option would be available: Every year, they would receive a tax credit directly, with the same cash value of the credits for employees in big companies, in a small business, or self-employed. You simply choose the insurance provider that suits you best. By mail or online, you would then inform the government of your selection. And the money to help pay for your health care would be sent straight to that insurance provider. The health plan you chose would be as good as any that an employer could choose for you. It would be yours and your family's health-care plan, and yours to keep.

The value of that credit -- 2,500 dollars for individuals, 5,000 dollars for families -- would also be enhanced by the greater competition this reform would help create among insurance companies. Millions of Americans would be making their own health-care choices again. Insurance companies could no longer take your business for granted, offering narrow plans with escalating costs. It would help change the whole dynamic of the current system, putting individuals and families back in charge, and forcing companies to respond with better service at lower cost.

It would help extend the advantages of staying with doctors and providers of your choice. When Americans speak of "our doctor," it will mean something again, because they won't have to change from one doctor or one network to the next every time they change employers. They'll have a medical "home" again, dealing with doctors who know and care about them.

These reforms will take time, and critics argue that when my proposed tax credit becomes available it would encourage people to purchase health insurance on the current individual market, while significant weaknesses in the market remain. They worry that Americans with pre-existing conditions could still be denied insurance. Congress took the important step of providing some protection against the exclusion of pre-existing conditions in the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act in 1996. I supported that legislation, and nothing in my reforms will change the fact that if you remain employed and insured you will build protection against the cost of treating any pre-existing condition.

Even so, those without prior group coverage and those with pre-existing conditions do have the most difficulty on the individual market, and we need to make sure they get the high-quality coverage they need. I will work tirelessly to address the problem. But I won't create another entitlement program that Washington will let get out of control. Nor will I saddle states with another unfunded mandate. The states have been very active in experimenting with ways to cover the "uninsurables." The State of North Carolina, for example, has an agreement with Blue Cross to act as insurer of "last resort." Over thirty states have some form of "high-risk" pool, and over twenty states have plans that limit premiums charged to people suffering an illness and who have been denied insurance.

As President, I will meet with the governors to solicit their ideas about a best practice model that states can follow -- a Guaranteed Access Plan or GAP that would reflect the best experience of the states. I will work with Congress, the governors, and industry to make sure that it is funded adequately and has the right incentives to reduce costs such as disease management, individual case management, and health and wellness programs. These programs reach out to people who are at risk for different diseases and chronic conditions and provide them with nurse care managers to make sure they receive the proper care and avoid unnecessary treatments and emergency room visits. The details of a Guaranteed Access Plan will be worked out with the collaboration and consent of the states. But, conceptually, federal assistance could be provided to a nonprofit GAP that operated under the direction of a board that i ncluded all stakeholders groups -- legislators, insurers, business and medical community representatives, and, most importantly, patients. The board would contract with insurers to cover patients who have been denied insurance and could join with other state plans to enlarge pools and lower overhead costs. There would be reasonable limits on premiums, and assistance would be available for Americans below a certain income level.

I feel that's very reasonable and smart. We aren't going to have a miracle overnight. It's going to take some work and initiative to get everything worked out. He's told you what his ideas are for a new health care option and for the things he was unsure about he as least mentions how he plans to work with states who have existing plans to help people that have been denied health care or are suffering a pre-existing condition and try to adapt this to his plan.

He doesn't plan to tax the American people but rather take back some of the Tax Credit that would normally be going to the employers and giving it to the people.

No taxes, and no cuts.. he's simply redistributing the money.

Now tell me what is Obama's plan for healthcare and how does he plan on funding it? :wtf:

You still haven't answered what Obama has to offer you or what do you know about Obama?

I've answered your questions on McCain with actual substance. Your turn. :jointsmile:



edit: Just so you know, I am sorry to hear about your situation. I am for more healthcare... just not a socialized form of it and I don't want to be taxed more to get it. Which is why I think John McCain has the right idea.

[daihashi]

edit: Just so you know, I am sorry to hear about your situation. I am for more healthcare... just not a socialized form of it and I don't want to be taxed more to get it. Which is why I think John McCain has the right idea.

I should change this because I think my wording is poor. Saying the "right idea" would insinuate I believe his way is the proper way to address the problem.

I was using "the right idea" in comparison to Obama's plan. But Honestly I think both plans are pretty poor.

[Markass]

The man scares the shit out of me..Plain and simple. I absolutely wish he doesn't get elected...It's sad that he's the one the media chose for us..I just wish every candidate from day one would get equal time on television..

[Stoner Shadow Wolf]

there is no such thing as change. politics are politics, independence goes to the highest bidder.

it always has, and always will, until we are WILLING to fight for our independence.

[dragonrider]

Time for a benchmark on these threads. I am going to do the same summary for both the Obama Change thread and the McCain Change thread.

The Obama poll seems to indicate a pretty much even split between those who think Obama is a change for the better and those who think Obama is a change for the worse. There are 47 reponses so far. By a very narrow margin of one vote, 20 think he is a change for the better (42%), versus 19 who think he is a change for the worse (40%). One thing is sure, whether you think he is for better or for worse, most people think he represesnts "change" --- only 8 think he represents no change (19%).

The McCain poll is lese evenly stacked, and weighted more to the neutral and negative. There are a total of 42 responses. The largerst number, 19, think he represents no change (45%). The next largest number, 14, think he represents a change for the worse (33%). And 9 think he represents a change for the better (21%).

[Psycho4Bud]

Tighter than I thought it would be on a predominate left wing forum.:thumbsup:

I'll keep these polls running for as long as you want.

Have a good one!:s4:

[greengoddess420]

Originally Posted by daihashi
Here in America most employers.. MOST... will pay for your health insurance.

you're pulling this broad stroked generalization out of thin air, as I'm sure you will be doing in the rest of this post. This is flat out FALSE.

but at least we're not being taxed 50% or more unlike other Socialized governments where yes, everyone has medical care, but it takes forever to see a doctor.

This is another completely unfounded generalization that capitalists love to claim, you have NO CLUE how the healthcare system actually works in places like canada. Germany spends about 1/5th of what america spends on health care and yes EVERYONE gets covered.

I have canadian friends that travel into the United States to recieve healthcare.

I'm sure you do.

Now if we're talking about pharmaceutical companies then I would have to agree. They are overpriced and seem to find new ways to undermine the American people to steal their money.

and they only exist because we have our wonderful flawless insurance companies to pay for the over priced unsafe drugs

I find it funny how many people talk so much crap about America and the Social programs or lack there of that we have; yet when someone needs military help they welcome us with open arms.. then proceed to continue to talk crap when it's over.

uh reality check dude, when's the last time someone actually wanted us in their country and we came to their rescue? I do believe africa is still swimming in genocide.

I am not a fan of socialized services. I don't believe I should be punished for someone elses inability to get health insurance

I work for a small struggling company that pays me half what I could get anywhere else in the industry I work in. They cant afford to pay me what based on my skills and experience, and I cant afford private insurance. I guess I just deserve to suffer.

I believe we even have a state funded program in addition to that. They are not the best but to be honest I bet they're at least on par with other socialized forms of healthcare in other countries.

dude. NO WE DONT. I Live in texas.

If everyone is equal then who get's to ever see a doctor.. and if everyone is getting this service free of charge then who is paying for it?

sick people. this part still works the same. healthcare budget. You know there are a lot of "public" positions in america that aren't paid for by "consumers" but rather citizens.

We actually have alot of programs here in America; most of which we've made sure my brother has gotten or is eligible for. I feel most of the complaint of the American people is out of laziness.

yeah because people who are sick and in need of medical attention but cant afford it are just lazy parasites. I know.

Sorry that we don't hand out services, we do require some effort on the people's part which I feel deters alot of people who don't truely need it and are capable of providing for themselves.

I'm really at a loss that there are people out there who still think this way.