Quote Originally Posted by daihashi
Here is a quote from me since you seem to be confused for what I'm asking:



From another post I made in this thread



And yet another post I made in this thread



And here is the original post I made asking the question:



As you can see since people seem to either ignore or be oblivious to what I'm asking I've gone through and bolded parts of my quotes.

Everyone here has failed to answer my question.

In regards to the following:



I've already done this in the Mccain thread in detail which did take some time. I'm not going to do it again. If you're interested you can take a look over in that thread.

McCain outlines his plan and tells you HOW he's going to make it happen.

Obama has said how, but my point this entire time is that Obama supporters cannot tell me HOW he's going to support the changes he proposes.




For someone who's not interested in healthcare you seem to want to argue this debate whole heartedly. You did provide examples to half the question but failed to answer the other half.. Even when you answer that other half I still have yet ANOTHER question for you. I have thought this very far into the future.

I don't feel Obama offers ideas. He offers half-hearted answers that will just give the American people what they want to hear. No one seems to realize that in actuality it is much more difficult to do what he proposes than the way he makes it sound... furthermore the way he plans on getting the money will directly effect the Job Employment rate in a negative way.



Sorry. I'm not giving anyone in this thread a free pass. I do know Obama's plans and how he plans to achieve them. I see the negatives and the few positives of it. I've even given hints as to how he plans to make the changes in hopes that some Obama supporter would speak up.

Everyone has sat silently when I ask them HOW. What and HOW are linked together. You can't say what you plan to do without saying how you plan to do it.. in addition after that is said you have to make it evident how it will effect the American people, for good and for bad.

No one here has said anything.. I've only received mediocre answers explaining what he plans to change.

Without all 3, I'm sorry but as I said before in the following quote:



The determining factor if the plan is worthwhile is listening after the above has been satisfied would be to determine the IMPACT would be to the American People.

Again no one here has answered my Question. I feel that thcbongman has come the closest to giving me a legitimate response in the Obama vs McCain debate.. Even then I still only agree with it half way.. or slightly less than half way.

All the other posts I've seen have failed to answer the questions I'm posing or have failed to put up a good comparison between Obama and McCain




Please read that and I think you'll find the core point I'm actually trying to get at by asking these questions.

If not maybe P4B or someone else who might realize what I'm getting at can chime in and explain; but I myself am not handing out a free pass.

It's cliche but knowledge is power.
Daihashi, I am sort of done with the point-by-point back and forth we've been having in this thread and others. It seems like we just drive eachother forward, making long, boring threads that no one else wants to participate in. In this case, I was getting really annoyed with you insisting I had not answered a question you felt you had posed to me. Now that I read the quotes you posted regarding the question you felt I was avoiding, I see that with the exception of one of them, YOU NEVER POSED YOUR QUESTION TO ME. Those quotes were from replies you made to other people, not to me. From my point of view, you asked TCHBongman and BigWeed questions, and I sort of resented you getting on my back for avoiding a question you posed to someone else. Like I said, these back-and-forth threads get long and boring --- I skim them if they don't look like they are going anywhere or if they are not an area of particular interest to me, and I never even read the question you posed these other people until now.

The one exception is the quote, "Please explain to me what he has proposed in DETAIL and how he plans to achieve it IN DETAIL.." To be honest, I didn't figure I owed you any additional detail, because my post was in response to BigWeed, and I thought I had told him what I wanted to say in adequate detail. That's why I told you if you wanted more detail, you should look it up. I thought you were looking for information with that question, not making a point about how I wasn't capable of providing the detail you wanted.

Now that I see your questions to these other people, I see that you are making a distinction between WHAT a person says they intend to do, and HOW they intend to accomplish what they say they will do. That is definitely a fair question. It seems your focus is mostly on how will they pay for it. I will now answer your question --- I DON'T KNOW!

I have no details on how Obama will pay for what he proposes. My feeling is that in one form or another, we as a society already pay for healthcare for the uninsured. If they can't pay for it themselves, we pay for it with unnecessary ER visits where patients can't be turned away. Or hospitals absorb the costs and pass them on to us in our own higher rates. Or people do simply go without care they can't afford, which I don't think is right. I think we probably pay more handling the unisured this way, than we would if we just bit the bullet and subisized their care up front.

Now that I read back on these posts, you claim to already know the answer to the question you asked about HOW Obama will pay for his plan, but you aren't going to say. And once we can answer that question, you proimise to dazzle us with another even more amazing stumper of a question. You said you have planned the whole discussion far into the future. It's sort of a Da Vinci Code game of healthcare policy where one clue only leads to a more mystifying clue. Perhaps we can call it the Daihashi Code. Let me know if you get anyone to play. I'm going to decline. But if you want to say how you think Obama will pay for his plan and then provide the other peice of information, that might be interesting and add to the discussion. If not, I will be OK with not knowing for now.

I did check out the speech you cut and paste into the McCain thread for the information about HOW McCain will pay for his plan, but I did not see it there. You said it was there, so maybe I missed it. Those $2500 - $5000 tax credits are going to add up if milions of people take him up on his offer, but I didn't see how he will pay for it. Do you have that info? I really am asking becasue I want the info, not because I want to stump you with a question I already have the answer to.