cool thanks for the info everyone, the 3 ladys are in day 2 of flowering. I will have to get some pics once i finish setting up the carbon scrubber, new exhaust fan, and replace the capacitor in my 250w ballast (only have a 150 hps in there now and 2 cfls) can't wait to see the results with 400w in a week or so. They are still very healthy looking and pretty even canopy. I'm sold on LST it has worked great so far