I have fish emulsion 5-1-1 which I will give them when they wake up. Also I am pretty sure why I am having such a time with things, but just wanted you to verify. It started with using the tap without proper testing equipment add to that using fox farm bloom ferts that were 3 years old. My problems didn't start until they went into flower almost 5 weeks ago and thats when I started using the tap & old ferts. I flushed when I found out my tap was high & got some ph down, but continued to use the old ferts until a couple of weeks ago I read how old nutes, esp. organic ones can break down & change. Of course. I don't know why I never thought about that. And thats why I now have the Schultz. Since moving, the nearest hydro is 80mi. This seemed to have at least the right ratio. Do you think those old ferts could be embedded in the soil and they are not getting flushed away? I will do a repot tonight as you suggested earlier. But I was just wondering if you think this could be the root of my problem? Much thanks Stinky for your help.