All you need is here

[wayward]

"Good idea."
Thanks. I'm sure others have thought of it.

"all the while discussing products that work, products that don't, and the nerve of some newcomers."

The purpose was to inform, not pursuade. If other methods work for you, great. But stoney's methods word for me, so I thought I'd share. Her methods are cheap, simple, and effective. Perfect, in my opinion, but I understand that's just my opinion. Sometimes how we say it can strike people more than what is said. Obviously that's the case here.

"Help customized to your individual growspace, strain, lighting, medium and nutes."

That's my point. I ask why. Here's where I'm at: There are a few specific rules to follow, if you will, to make any grow work. What the indoor grower is trying to do is mimic nature. This isn't easy. So yes, RT, you are right in that there are issues to look at. But I wonder if people don't detail these issues to death. My point in posting what I did was to show others it CAN be simple if you just let be that way. For example, Stinkyattic has a post about the breakdown of potting soil and how, when the particles are smaller, they hold more water. True enough, but does it matter? Again, no offense to Stinky, and no, I didn't insult her at all. Some people just view it like that. But again, sometimes it's not what you say but how you say it that matters. I made my post very short on purpose, even qualifying it by saying up front that it wasn't intended to offend anyone. Yet people here are offended.

"But until they get in there and do it...it's just another book or video with cool pictures."

Well, sure I agree. And you may not realize it but that actually helps my argument, as you can spend all day and them some looking at books and videos. However, why do that when you can be shown something that is simple and effective. I guess we could argue this forever, couldn't we? "No, wayward, we can't and we're going to kick your stupid ass out of here." Okay, but before you do that, why not put me to the test? Why don't some of you give me problems to see just how stupid I really am?

"Where in the video does it provide a link to ask questions if an emergency arises or they have any unforseen problems...?"

There isn't one. But again that's the point. The videos exist to keep things simple and reduce problems. I'm not saying the info is perfect, but the stuff struck me as being better than days of research. And remember, there was another link that has text to help others out with problems. It wasn't just a link for videos.

"Been spending time and money on useless techniques or equipment...?"

No, I haven't.

"Been getting bad advise from another site?"

Yes, you could say that. But it was years ago. Now I'm better off. I know, you don't care.

"Sounds to me like you've got some issues you're working your way thru. (don't stop workin' on 'em now...you've got a long way to go)"

I disagree. In my opinion, those who burn time on, what did you call it?, casual discourse, are the ones with along way to go. Letting ego drive you doesn't make for good decision-making.

"(sorry our knowledge isn't informed enough for ya)"

I never said that. Perhaps there's someone here who benefits from what I did.

"you disrespect Stinky, (among the best at what she does and whom she does it for)"

No, I didn't. I had no intention of doing so. That's why I specifically said No offense to Stinky. Although I admit spelling her screen name wrong. Sorry. I've read some of her stuff and it's impressive in detail, knowledge, and quality of written English.

"And, you've insulted our members that take the time to create a photo journal to explain step-by-step how they've brought their ladies to harvest, while answering questions from those wanting to learn more."

How? What I said was, I don't see how a grow log will help. Again, the purpose to the methods of the videos is to remove the need for grow logs, making a grow remarkably simple provided you use certain elements to mimic nature.

"Your approach to all of this was remarkably uninformative, self-centered and immature. Coming here thinking that all of this is new to us, is just plain stupid and indefensable."

I disagree. Making my defense now. There's nothing self-centered and immature about helping others. I didn't insist the videos be watched or techniques be used, so your attack on me is futile, in my opinion. The purpose is to inform, not pursuade or insult. Look, RT, if you were a real newbie (which you're not), would you not appreciate someone showing you a simple, effective way to achieve what you want? Can't that be said about anything in life? Do you really want to spend hour after hour researching stuff on the web? Maybe you do. There's more to life.

"Perhaps at the next discussion board you join, you'll lurk till you get the whole picture."

What picture is that you're referring to? That I should be a club member and know the secret handshakes and codenames? That's what places like this come down to -- just one big social clique. And here comes new Wayward who obviously doesn't know shit cuz he's new and wants us to join his club instead. Nope, never said that either.

"One final question...are you a medical cannabis user, or just another drug addict with axes to grind, and an inflated sense of self-worth?"

Here's the biggest shocker of all -- I'm neither. But I think these issue could apply to you. Have a nice day.

[wayward]

:rastabanna:

[wayward]

Stinky has given me an infraction for Spam/unsolicited advertisments. It should be understood that my initial post was nothing of the sort. I'm not selling anything. In retrospect, the words I used, something like "forget the b.s. you hear and grow like a pro" was not an accurate way to phrase what I was wanting to say. With this in mind I can see how others felt like I was stepping on their toes. I really wanted to say something like "keep it simple," or "your ways are pretty good, but take a look at this." The way I put sounded arrogant and I should've been more careful.
Regarding the idea of spam, I don't think I fit this as here's a piece from Wikipedia's definition of spam:
[edit] Types of spam
Spam has several definitions, varying by the source.

Unsolicited bulk e-mail (UBE)â??unsolicited e-mail, sent in large quantities.
Unsolicited commercial e-mail (UCE)â??this more restrictive definition is used by regulators whose mandate is to regulate commerce, such as the U.S. Federal Trade Commission.
Any email message that is fraudulent.
Any email message where the senderâ??s identity is forged, or messages sent though unprotected SMTP servers, unauthorized proxies, or botnets (see Theft of service below).

I don't think my post qualifies as spam. ww

[stinkyattic]

I did not give you an infraction. I gave you a warning.

When a user joins a forum with the SOLE purpose not of participating in ongoing discussions there, but to promote another website, that qualifies as spam. I think your post qualifies as spam... most people lurk, then post in the intro section or post up a question about a plant or some MMJ issue... not come in, and immediately leave, leaving nothing behind but a first post trying to lure members elsewhere.

We all know how to use Google here, and informative links are constantly posted- IN SPECIFIC THREADS TO WHICH THEY ARE RELEVANT.

And re: the correction to my grammar- I know how to write. Sorry if my colloquialisms don't constitute good English one hundred percent of the time. You'd do better on MySpace correcting all that utterly ridiculous txt-tlk that the teenagers have decided is an appropriate means of communicating their [superficial] thoughts...

I don't feel like bickering any more. Rusty has, in his usual manner, written out a good explanation of why your initial posting rubbed the collective fur backwards.

[stinkyattic]

Edit: By the way, it DOES matter what the particle size of your soil is- VERY MUCH- as any gardener or soil scientist will confirm.
One of the properties of water is that it will actually adhere to the edges of its container, rather than flowing entirely freely- even, to a certain extent, against gravity!
You may demonstrate this by putting a very narrow tube such as a hollow reed into a glass of water and noting that the water level within hte reed is higher than that within the glass. The relative difference between these is DIRECTLY correlated to the interior diameter of the tube, with narrower tubes allowing the interior water level to rise much higher- defying gravity! So drainage is quite impeded, if you follow the logic, by smaller interstitial spaces between soil particles.
Silty and clay soils have the smallest pore size, and drain the slowest. If you have ever grown a plant, you will know that you never use clay in your garden soil except in very specific instances, with very specific plants, that are few an far between. Perlite is designed to have a very chunky structure, with large interstitial spaces; hydroton, then, would be the extreme example of this. It holds far more oxygen than a dense soil would, and drains far more freely.
Peat moss STARTS with a fairly nice particle size, but over 6-10 weeks from first wetting, will break into smaller particles, which do not drain, and will suffocate your plants' roots.

But I guess that doesn't matter, which is why it does not appear in ANY grow videos.

The beauty of a forum is that you can freely move from topic to topic, choosing the order of learning that suits you best, and re-visit subjects of current interest without having to find the one spot on that one video that mentioned it in passing.

[chongman420]

Wow, I bet there's smoke rolling off Stinky's keyboard! :admin2:

[stinkyattic]

My keyboard is about 14" from where I just fried up a skillet of hot sausage and peppers-n-onions for breakfast. Keyboard smoke and grease smoke are virtually indistinguishable without extensive testing, as they are both composed primarily of incompletely combusted hydrocarbons.
:wtf:
However my wrists hurt, fucking carpal tunnel. I need to switch to video format soon... ; )

[chongman420]

I just fried up a skillet of hot sausage and peppers-n-onions for breakfast.

Yummy! :eat:

[justanotherbozo]

No offfense to Sticky or anyone else, as there's some really good stuff here, but videos and instructions are available.
videos, you might want to watch them all.
YouTube - The Dirt - Award Winning Planing Mix

instructions
http://www.gro4me.com/Grow%20Class%20INET.pdf

forget the b.s. you hear about and grow like a pro.

peace, ww

i noticed your thread when 'blink' was the only one who had responded and i chose to stay away, partly because i knew a shit storm was comin' but, mostly because what you were offering wasn't, isn't new, not to me anyway.

and not to many, many others here, as Stinky has said, using Google isn't all that difficult, you don't even need perfect english.

the point of coming to these forums you so oviously have missed is the sense of belonging to a community, a group of like-minded people who become friends over time. people who willingly help total strangers and are helped by other, more advanced strangers, until we're not strangers any more, were friends that haven't met yet.

as a newbie myself, it's nice to have a place to go with a specific problem and get multiple responses (not all of which are germaine or even right), you only learn which people to listen to if you stay and participate.

and lets not forget the illegality of our little hobby, if you talk to people you know, eventually, you will get busted, here, i can talk to my hearts content and, unless i'm stupid, or LEO has another reason to be looking at me closely, i'm safe to talk about my ongoing struggles up the learning curve.

i still haven't found a video that i can brag to about my success' nor one that will hold my hand and help me with a problem i've never encountered before. (like Weedhound, Stinky, Rusty, ImageReaper, and shit, there's just too many to mention, have done for me)(many don't even know how much they have helped me)

anyway, if you had taken the time and trouble to become a part of this community you would be better able to understand it's value, then, if you had shared those links (that many here already know about) with the group, your sharing would have been appreciated and aknowledged.

[justanotherbozo]

My keyboard is about 14" from where I just fried up a skillet of hot sausage and peppers-n-onions for breakfast. Keyboard smoke and grease smoke are virtually indistinguishable without extensive testing, as they are both composed primarily of incompletely combusted hydrocarbons.
:wtf:
However my wrists hurt, fucking carpal tunnel. I need to switch to video format soon... ; )

just RFLMAO :S2: