Teen killed by tiger had drugs, alcohol in his system

[psychocat]

I am a structural engineer and the building requirements are extremely strict , If I chose to ignore the guidelines and rules and a building I worked on collapsed then I would be liable .
The zoo has a responsibility to ensure the safety of visitors and failed to do so by not having a secure enclosure , just like if your dog gets onto the street and bites someone you are responsible for public safety too.
No lawyer in the world is going to be able to lay blame anywhere but at the zoos door.

[Mississippi Steve]

So let's let all the animals roam free since they won't attack unless someone does something stupid.

You are still disregarding the fact that it is the Zoo's responsibility to ensure the safety of it's visitors. It is not the responsibility of the individual.

And you still have not retracted your statement about me and animal abuse. Which is pretty obvious in plain view that I never said that.

And again you call me ignorant for simply pointing out the fact that it is the Zoo's responsibility to ensure everyone is safe from the animals that they put on exhibit? Am I wrong? If it's my job to keep everyone safe in the Zoo then you bet your ass that I won't be going to the Zoo ever again. I can't keep everyone safe in there and I would hope that people wouldn't place responsibility on me to make sure a tiger stays in his exhibit. To say that I have the ability or skill necessary to keep an animal in their cage is insane.

No one ever said the kids weren't stupid or immature. But to insist it's not the Zoo's job to ensure the safety of it's visitors is just moronic. You are placing blame on the kids for the tiger getting out and while it was stupid and idiotic to antagonize an animal that weighs about 10x you do the point of the matter is that the tiger should not have been able to get out of it's exhibit even if someone were to do that.

In Houston Zoo we have about a 20 ft gap between the fence and the tiger area, between this 20 ft gap there is a trench that is about 16-25 ft deep. Zoo care takers go to great lengths to ensure that it's visitors are safe. Many exhibits are constantly shut down for upgrades and renovations to further the safety and overall experience of Zoo visitors. Something the San Francisco Zoo OBVIOUSLY overlooked or simply did not care about until it was too late.

You've still failed to respond to a number of things in my post in regards to maturity and the developing mind.

All your arguements have been to the tune of "stupid kids, stupid kids, stupid kids.". I'm sorry but you fail to back your argument with anything of substance what so ever.


I'm done debating this with you. Your lack of ability to reason is uncanny and I won't be checking back in on this thread.

The point that I made and that you are refusing to accept is that the big problem here is that there is no more common sense in the world, its all about deep pockets and not about actual personal responsibility, or lack thereof.

People are no longer being held responsible for thier actions. Its about placing blame. When you are grown, and have raised kids of your own then you might look at it in a different light.


Let me pose a question to you.... Even if the enclosure was the correct height (only a 4 foot difference from what it was), and the cat got out...what then??? Are you still gonna go after the zoo when they did things according to the letter of the law?? Are you going to still ignore the simple fact that these kids had been tormenting the cat?? What then???

[psychocat]

The point that I made and that you are refusing to accept is that the big problem here is that there is no more common sense in the world.

That's a very broad generalisation and very untrue.

Let me pose a question to you.... Even if the enclosure was the correct height (only a 4 foot difference from what it was), and the cat got out...what then??? Are you still gonna go after the zoo when they did things according to the letter of the law?? Are you going to still ignore the simple fact that these kids had been tormenting the cat?? What then???

If cows could fly noone would be safe... IF is a very dodgy word IMO
The enclosure WAS NOT built to spec , no if's no but's.
Nobody is ignoring the fact that they were wrong to annoy the animal but that isn't the reason the cat was able to escape now was it .

Raising kids is no sign of sense (I know some really stupid parents) and when you talk about responsibility a couple of questions jump to mind.
Who is responsible for safety in a zoo ?
Who was responsible for the building of the enclosure ?
Would you still feel the same way if the animal had simply escaped (because the enclosure was unfit which of course it was) and killed a passerby ?

You talk of responsibility but fail to realise that the simple fact is the animal should never have had the ability to escape but it did because the zoo failed to secure the animal properly , that was thier responsibility.

[painretreat]

Due to the animals and life involved, I followed that case. It was on a local news (however correct, I don't no); but the kids admitted they had been smoking some pot. I do dumb shit when I smoke pot. That cage was approved, etc. Always in question. Final results just came out very recently and that cage was extremely too low for those Tony the Tigers! Maybe those kids thot they were playing with Tony, aaargh! But, I would not build my house on sand in Calif.! Accidents will always happen regardless of how careful you think you are and have been. But, those kids that remain alive, will need a lot of medical care and it isn't cheap. Working in a field that I also could be sued, I always carry insurance for case's that could happen. Not because of the fear of being sued. I believe it is my responsibility to help anyone injured in any process I had a finger in, even if I wasn't wrong. If people need help as a result of things that went wrong, whether intention or not--then we need to help them in any way we can. Surely, the insurance company have broken the financial backbone of this country. And if you ever have a ligitimate claim for almost anything, the first thing the insurance co. does is try to screw the hell out of you (most of the time). So, I think they have bred this process themselves. Plus, it employs a lot of people. medical, legal, zoo enginers, etc. . . . Not that I condone their behavior or the Zoo's, but I just don't think anyone is perfect! And it is fun to go visit Tony the tigger once in a while and feel safe. Which it will be now with the modifications made! Shit happens!

[painretreat]

A thot! If you drove your car drunk or loaded would it be any different than what the kids did! Most likely they were being safer walking, could have gotten away in a car! I did very impulsive things as a youngun at their age--feeling invincible. Looking back, it is a wonder I am alive! I could say, I have more sense than that, looking in hindsight. But, in hindsight, I did not at that age and at times, I am sure I don't even now. It is devastating to lose a love and I've lost lots of my little pets. I can only imagine the grief the family is in! Frankly, I am not sure I feel one way or the other about the lawsuits, as I think, sometimes, you have to walking in their shoes (or flying)! And insurance, like oil is going to get so darned high anyway, I doubt it makes much different in the long run. Oil co. and Insurance Co are pretty rich! Not that the rich need to 'get it.' I doubt anyone will ever know all the true facts! As in divorce, etc!