Kindergarten Teacher Lets Classmates Vote Boy with Autism Disease Out of Classrooom

[maxsuperdanks]

Man, I was reading your post, and then at the very end I get to this line, "Just as it's wrong to punish a class of kids by no one going on a field trip for one asshole kid killing the class pet." It made me think you were reliving s traumatic event from your own childhood! Did you get denied a field trip because some asshole kid killed the class pet?

But seriously, this is not appropriate. The kid very likely was being disruptive and the teacher could have used a lot of different options for dealing with it including kicking him out of class. But there is no way that rallying a bunch of kindergartners to vote him out of class was the right thing to do! You don't turn children against each other to make a point! What a moron.

I agree, which is why I said that the teacher should have gone about it in a much different way.

But the end result should still be the same with the kid removed from class, if they were being disruptive.

[maxsuperdanks]

I remember when there was a kid who just didn't want to learn, he was a moron who simply didn't apply himself, only when disturbing class did he put forth effort.


The teacher were talking aloud with the intent of the class hearing saying "this kid is an idiot, he doesn't do anything and simply doesn't want to learn"


I nearly fell out of my chair laughing at him.




Oh, and he wasn't autistic. He was just a fuck up.

[stinkyattic]

The answer to your question is yes, Reb.
I've revisited the thread after locking it and cleaning out a whole bunch of really offensive stuff from one individual. I hope it can stay cleaner now.

To add my two cents to the matter, I feel that that WAS in fact emotionally abusive, akin to hazing, which is now ILLEGAL even in military academies, which have had a history of 'you are part of the team or the team will ostracize you'. It's still like that, but much more subdued than in the past, and in my experience at a US military academy punishments are handed down by upperclassmen and officers, and rarely if ever by classmates. I can't think of a single incidence of hazing within the class while I was there. After all, your classmates are your team.

Finally, there's a difference between young adults and small children- ESPECIALLY children who are already suffering the effects of psychological distress from illness.

At the very minimum, that teacher should be de-certified (if there is a cert process in that state) and either removed from the school system entirely, or put in an administrative or aide position where she has less sway over the students' daily activities.

Thread is re-opened, keep it peaceful, wish granted.

[dragonrider]

I agree, which is why I said that the teacher should have gone about it in a much different way.

But the end result should still be the same with the kid removed from class, if they were being disruptive.

Yeah, Max. You and I agree, the kid should not have been in class if he was being disruptive, but he shouldn't have been publicly singled out that way. The first part of my post was about the funny thing you said, but the second part was just my opinion about the issue, not about what you said.

So what is the story about the cnaceled field trip and the class pet?

[rebgirl420]

Thanks Stinky!

But yeah, of course he should have been taken to an alternative learning class. The effects of this emotional abuse could scar this poor kid. And does he really need that on top of everything else?

It is innapropriate for a teacher to berate a student in such a way.

Max, I'm sure you be completely okay with YOUR autistic child being treated in such a way.

[dragonrider]

I don't even think this thing is so much about whether the kid is autistic or not. The fact that he might be autistic adds to the potential damage that could be caused by having his whole class publicly ostracisze him. But the real issue is that this is no way for a teacher to discipline any kid, autistic or not. The teacher probably did not know he was autisitc, and I guess he hasn't even been officially diagnosed. But that doesn't excuse her. You don't deal with disruptive kids this way.

[Fugitive]

I don't know how anyone can justify this by saying his behaviour was probably disturbing a kindergarten
I watched the interview with his mother I'll try and find it.. Anyway she said that the teacher had gathered all the children and she asked everyone to say what they didn't like about the him, when it came to the only friend that he had in the class she didn't want to say but she said she had to, after the class she was crying.
He hasn't been diagnosed with Aspergers syndrome yet thats why hes there..
heres an update on the story CLICK HERE

ducation Law
Mom Considers Suit After Class Voted to Expel Her Autistic Son

Posted May 27, 2008, 01:01 pm CDT
By Debra Cassens Weiss

Updated: A Florida woman is considering a lawsuit after a teacher allowed students to take a vote on whether her misbehaving autistic son should remain in class.

Melissa Barton said the teacher made her 5-year-old son, Alex, stand in the front of her classroom after he returned from the principalâ??s office, the Sun-Sentinel reports. Each classmate was allowed to say what they disliked about Alex and then the class was told to vote on whether he should remain. The school is in Port St. Lucie.

Alex lost the vote 14 to 2. He is in the process of being diagnosed with Asperger's syndrome, a type of high-functioning autism.

Alex has not been back to school since the incident, and he starts screaming when his mother takes him with her to drop off his siblings at school. The other night, Barton said, he kept repeating "I'm not special" over and over.

A police spokesman said no criminal charges will be filed in the matter.

Since initial reports of the incident, the school district has reassigned the teacher and Barton has received hundreds of supportive e-mails, ABAJournal.com notes in an update on the story. She also received a call from Phil McGraw, who asked her to appear on Dr. Phil, and from the Florida Attorney Generalâ??s Office of Civil Rights, reports TCPalm.

Alex brightened when he received a call from a classmate Tuesday evening who discussed SpongeBob SquarePants and squirrels with him. Their mothers are planning a play date for them this summer.

Barton says she has heard from many parents of special needs kids who have had problems in school for behavior that isn't their fault. â??Itâ??s not something you can correct with some sort of demented behavior modification program,â?� she said.

Barton and her son gave an interview to CBS News, and she is considering the Dr. Phil invitation.

The video isn't available anymore

[fishman3811]

Anybody who says that teacher did the right thing doesnt have any kids cause if you did and you found out that your kid was voted out of his class room would be furious.It doesnt matter if the kid is disruptive it should of been handled in a different matter period.

[daihashi]

So from a teachers stand point, this disruptive kid, keeps being disruptive, and has to be sent to the principals office over and over. So, she asks the class if they want him to stay or go (I APPLAUD this teacher, giving students actual say? no way!!)

No offense but... these are Kindergarten kids. What do 4-5 year old children know about voting other than they don't like this.. they don't like that.. or that if they don't vote a certain way they may not get ice cream or something.

I do not applaud this teacher. What she did was wrong. She should've let the principal handle this with his parents as usual. Instead she took matters into her own hands.

Perhaps you can't understand because you don't have anyone like this in your life, but I have a handicap brother.

Let me tell you when you trust someone to take care of your child, brother or whatever relation to you they may be, and then they do something dramatic like this... you are going to become in furiated.

You trust someone to teach and take care of a child who is VERY vulnerable. More so than most children, and then they turn around and give you the proverbial slap in the face. It's no reason that this mother was upset.

Let's assume that this kid was normal and was being disruptive. Let's say the classroom is 16 kids. The teacher picks out kid #10 for being disruptive and then tells the class to say something about him they don't like and then vote yes or not to kick him out.

1 you've just essentially tormented the kid. Calling him 15 different names. You've made him feel unequal to his peers and have destroyed any tiny bit of self worth you have when you're a in kindergarten. On top of that you told him he's not good enough to be in the class.

Are you still applauding this teacher? Yes now the disruptive child is out of the class but she could've accomplished the same thing by taking the child to the principal and allowing the principal to discuss it with the parents once more. It was never the teachers job to conduct a modern age stoning of a little kid.

You're very obtuse in your thinking.

Imagine a world where we(as people) use 10x the resources on people that are NEVER going learn Algebra, get a end of the field job, or do anything that would actual better the human race....BUT BUT GOD tells us too!

Who are you to determine what is going to better the human race or an individual for that matter. You are nobody.

Your entire post seems to be written with the intent of trying to offend people. It's honestly sickening.

cause you cant blame someone for what they don't know.

I love the hypocrisy here in this quote that is referencing the teacher. People with autism do not function the same way that we do. In a sense they really just don't any better. IT's not within their control. YOU CANT BLAME THEM!

Communication and human relationships are a two way street.

[daihashi]

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Making fun of people with diseases is the lowest of low. [/COLOR]

AGREED!!!

Hazing small impressionable kindergarten kids is wrong in it's own right.

Having a handicap brother I can relate and am infuriated just by reading that article.

There is so much ignorance in the world.