Court win for texas sect parents

[killerweed420]

My grandma was 14 when she first married and had her first kid. Not Mormons, but it use to be very common and I didn't see anyone getting hurt. I don't advocate anyone getting married or having children till they are 30. But thats just me. I have no right to force my opinions on anyone else. By the way grandma had 3 marraiges and outlived all her husbands to a ripe old age of 96.
The only criteria there should be in these cases is somebody being hurt. If not leave them alone and pay more attention to your own life.

[dragonrider]

My grandma was 14 when she first married and had her first kid. Not Mormons, but it use to be very common and I didn't see anyone getting hurt. I don't advocate anyone getting married or having children till they are 30. But thats just me. I have no right to force my opinions on anyone else. By the way grandma had 3 marraiges and outlived all her husbands to a ripe old age of 96.
The only criteria there should be in these cases is somebody being hurt. If not leave them alone and pay more attention to your own life.

I think the problem with this cult is that the girls are too young to make these kinds of decisions. I think they are being manipulated and coerced into these "marriages" and being taken advantage of. Apparently many of them didn't really want to be in these marriages, but they are too young and too isolated to prevent it. That's rape.

It's one thing to point out your grandmother got married when she was 14. I know a lot of people in older generations did get married much earlier than they do now. In some cases when very young people are really in love and responsible adults agree it is Ok, and it is legal in that particular state, then maybe it's alright for underage people to get married. I personlly doubt it is really a good idea, but it might not be morally wrong or illegal.

But if you have 14-year-old girl being told by her parents and religious leaders that she HAS TO marry a 50 year-old-man who already has multiple "wives," then someone is getting hurt.

[Fugitive]

There was no probable cause ! Probable cause means its probable, not probably, not a phonecall and excess cover up by the media.

The government can just say fuck the law alltogether and do what ever the hell they want, if they're found guilty of kidnapping (which is what happened) they'll just say oops guess we have to give the kids back and nobodys held accountable.

[dragonrider]

There was no probable cause ! Probable cause means its probable, not probably, not a phonecall and excess cover up by the media.

The government can just say fuck the law alltogether and do what ever the hell they want, if they're found guilty of kidnapping (which is what happened) they'll just say oops guess we have to give the kids back and nobodys held accountable.

Do you mean probable cause for the raid or cause to remove the kids to protective custody?

So far no one has disputed the probable cause for the raid --- maybe that will come up in the eventual trials. They had warrants and continue to get permission for further searches, siezing records, taking DNA samples, so they must have proven enough probable cause to convince a court to allow them to go that far.

As for removing a kid to protective custody, I don't think the same legal rules apply as do for warrants. I don't think child protective services usually have ro PROVE that abuse has already occured in order to remove a child. I'm not a lawyer, but I don't think the same standards of "probable cause" apply in cases of child safety and removing a child from a hazardous environemt.

One thing is sure, the authorities in this case were in a bad spot. On the one hand, if they err on the side of safety and remove the kids, they might get caught overstepping their authority --- which is what the court has said. On the other hand, if they suspected the kids were in danger but still just let them stay in the compound, and another little girl got raped, then right now we'd be all over them for sitting on their asses and not protecting the kids.

I think they did the right thing by removing the kids. As this thing unfolds, I think we are going to see some real depravity come to light.

[killerweed420]

Yeah you can't remove all kids just because one MIGHT of been abused. There is going to be one hell of an expensive lawsuit over this. Texas is going to need a big ass insurance coverage.