thanks man...i have figured out how i wanted to do it thanks to your posts. just tweaking it a lil to fit my system. im just gonna start the clone in coconute fiber and then just put that in the hydroton. its alot small and the roots will grow out of it quick and give the stem a lil stability. oh and by the way the first post on this thread is now how im doin my system anymore...completely dwc throughout. already great results in a few days.