bc bud from atlanta!!

[GreenLeaf420]

wow that is a creepy analogy...

Organic BS? I have been eating organic for years. Growing Organic food and Herb for about 1 year. It was not until i started growing that the importance of Organics really hit home. Read the label on these insecticides which contain numerous chemicals. Some of them suggest using until the day of harvest...and at the same time suggest using face and respiration protection before using. I for one think that smoking high powered fungicides, miticides, and insecticides is a disgrace to the the temple which is your body.

Then consider what corporations with a for profit mentality are going to spray on your fruits and vegetables, and feed your livestock and poultry. They are a business and rightfully or in it for money. More the better. If that bottle which has directions on it created by people who are trying to sell more of it, says its ok to use up until harvest, they sure as hell will.
Its not a coincidence that the industrial and agricultural revolution has happened, and now there is an epidemic of Cancer cases all over the world. Many people when being treated for Cancers are told by their doctors to begin eating Organically. There is a reason for this...it is touched on above.
Sometimes it hurts, and sometimes its easier to believe the bullshit...but ignorance, and sharing of inaccurate knowledge is dangerous.

This is every study ever done on Organics. Have you read them? Go for it and maybe you will learn some more. Don't be so Stubborn

Is Organic Food More Nutritious?

Is Organic Food Provably Better?
July 16, 2003
By MARIAN BURROS
The New York Times
IN the debate over whether organic food is better than conventionally raised food, advocates for organic produce say it contains fewer harmful chemicals and is better for the earth, and some claim that it is more nutritious.
And recent preliminary evidence suggests that the levels of certain nutrients, especially vitamin C, some minerals and some polyphenols - naturally occurring antioxidants that may help bolster the immune system - are higher in organically grown crops.
As a result of this preliminary evidence and the
Agriculture Department's adoption in 2000 of standards for organic foods, the Organic Trade Association has created the nonprofit Center for Organic Education and Promotion to finance research that could verify what small-scale research may suggest: organic food may provide greater health benefits than conventional food.
"We want to take the knowledge to the next level until
there is a solid body of research that we can stand
behind," said Katherine DiMatteo, executive director of the association. "There needs to be more rigor."
A study in the January 2003 Journal of Agricultural and
Food Chemistry found 52 percent more ascorbic acid, or
vitamin C, in frozen organic corn than in conventional
corn, and 67 percent more in corn raised by sustainable
methods - a combination of organic and conventional
farming. Polyphenols were significantly higher in organic
and sustainable marionberries compared to conventionally
farmed ones.
A three-year study in Italy, reported in the August 2002
issue of the same journal, found higher levels of
polyphenols in organic peaches and pears, and about 8
percent more ascorbic acid in organic peaches.
And a study in the February 2002 European Journal of
Nutrition found more salicylic acid in organic vegetable
soup than in nonorganic soup. Salicylic acid is responsible
for the anti-inflammatory properties of aspirin, and
bolsters the immune system.
Critics say these studies were poorly done, are biased and dealt with tiny differences in nutrients.
Alex Avery, director of research and education at the
Center for Global Food Issues at the Hudson Institute, who frequently disputes claims for the positive health benefits of organic farming, said the marionberry and corn study did not involve proper statistical analysis and that the data came from a single year and a single farm.
"This is a very, very shaky basis, given the differences
that can occur," Mr. Avery said.
Dr. Diane Barrett of the University of California at Davis,
a researcher on the study, said: "We acknowledge it's very preliminary data." She added: "It was a real-life look at what happens in a grower's field. We did not expect such differences among organic, sustainable and conventional farming. We see it as an open door to doing more controlled studies at the university."
Charles Benbrook, former executive director of the Board on Agriculture at the National Academy of Sciences, who is a consultant on the impact of agricultural systems and technology on food safety and the environment, said the study's conclusions were not surprising.
"This study extends and reinforces findings in earlier research," he said, referring to reports indicating that when plants are not treated with pesticides and are attacked by insects their levels of antioxidants rise to limit damage. "But it is new because it uses different crops under different circumstances. The study may have flaws, but it is a legitimate study."
Mr. Avery said the Italian study showed very little
difference in nutrient levels. "I don't think you are going
to find any health differences," he said.
And while scientists emphasize the importance of
polyphenols and other antioxidants, particularly because
they might help fight cancer, Mr. Avery said: "No one has a clue how much phenolics anyone needs to consume. Anyone who claims nutritional benefits from higher or lower phenolics doesn't understand."
Dr. John Reganold, a professor of soil science at
Washington State University, who has conducted research
with organic farming systems systems, described the Italian study as good, and said the results were valid. The higher levels of vitamin C, Mr. Reganold said, are "biologically significant."
In 2001, the Soil Association of England, which sets
organic standards, asked Shane Heaton, a nutritionist, to analyze available studies on nutrient differences between organically and conventionally grown food.
He looked at 99 studies and discarded 70 because, he said,
they examined growers who did not use certified organic practices, did not make relevant comparisons or were of insufficient duration.
He found that in 14 studies of minerals, 7 showed a "trend toward mineral contents" in organic foods, while 6 showed inconclusive or inconsistent results and 1 showed a higher mineral content for nonorganics. For vitamin C, 7 of 13 studies showed significantly higher levels in organics; they ranged from 6 percent to 100 percent. Six of the studies showed inconsistent or insignificant differences.
Mr. Avery said Mr. Heaton's study was tainted because of
the Soil Association's interests.
"A number of research trials time and time again have not
found any significant differences," he said. "You need very large, carefully designed and carefully controlled studies to prove that there is a difference because of large natural variability."
Pressed to be more specific, Mr. Avery whose organization
has received financing from Monsanto, DowElanco and the
Ag-Chem Equipment Company, which are involved in
conventional agriculture and biotechnology, did not offer further criticism.
Mr. Heaton said other researchers had reviewed his work and said it demonstrated "important differences between organic and nonorganic produce."
Dr. Joseph Rosen, a professor of food science at Rutgers,
said the conclusions of the studies Mr. Heaton had focused
on were less consistent than Mr. Heaton had claimed.
Dr. Rosen said there were only two studies on
phytonutrients - naturally occurring antioxidants - and
only one showed higher levels in organic food.
Actually, there are five studies in Mr. Heaton's report;
four of them showed significant difference in
phytonutrients.
Dr. Marion Nestle, chairwoman of the department of
nutrition, food studies and public health at New York University, said that because there is so much variation in the soil, the amount of sun and rainfall, "It is difficult to compare findings of different studies."
But she said of Mr. Heaton's study: "The investigators have gone to a lot of trouble, and there is no reason to disbelieve it." His findings, she said, "are consistent with studies coming out now on nutrients, phytochemicals and pesticides."
The debate is far from resolved.
Organic foods, Mr. Avery said, "are clearly no safer, no
more nutritious, no more healthful - there are zero
advantages for consumers."
Dr. Nestle said, "I don't think there is any question that
as more research is done, it is going to become
increasingly apparent that organic food is healthier."

The argument continues!!!!

This will go on till the We study and take a stand till then there will always be an argument on the issue. I am far from not enjoying Organic Produce @ all !!!!

[GreenLeaf420]

I am far from not enjoying Organic Produce @ all !!!!

Yet there are unclarified events especially w/ Carbon in the soil. That how yields are able to be met. So is it really better when Yielding and Carbon pumpiming is a issue? Being that Organic foods is a billion dollar a year industry who is going to take a stand to stop the CASH going to Large Corporate Co? If you really want to make a difference support your local growers Organic or not!!!

[allrollsin21]

Mr. Avery whose organization
has received financing from Monsanto, DowElanco and the
Ag-Chem Equipment Company, which are involved in
conventional agriculture and biotechnology, did not offer further criticism. 

Greenleaf i am confused what you are saying.

This is every study ever done on Organics. Have you read them? Go for it and maybe you will learn some more. Don't be so Stubborn 

This is every study? What are you talking about? Thousands of studies have been done. They will all be argued for and against.
Chemically used ingredients have proven to be CARCINOGENIC. The simple fact that thousands of people are turning to Cannabis instead of chemically made pharmaceuticals. These pharmies are reeking havoc on the human bodies they are supposed to treat. I don't need to read a study to tell me what is safer. It is everywhere you look.
Are you arguing that soils do not become depleted faster when non-organic methods are used? This is a fact. It is not disputed by anyone that does not have an interest politically or financially in chemical companies.
Herb evolved for millions of years in soil just the way mother nature created it. Can the human mind improve on an already perfect cycle? I believe not. Thanks for the article, if i came off as stubborn, this might be true on this topic. To me it is an inherent truth that transcends 'common sense', it just IS.
The article sounded like an election article.

[Markass]

I am not sure what you are disputing Markass, from the above post. I did not mention a thing about potency. It is a health issue as far as i am concerned.
Ingesting residual (Monsanto flavor of the week pesticide (roundup.....)) is not a choice i would make for anyone. It is intuitively dangerous.

...roundup is a weedkiller rather than a pesticide?

[allrollsin21]

yes roundup is a herbicide, not a pesticide. replace with Avid or floramite....Markass i still have no idea what point you are trying to make.

Greenleaf, I agree that local is the way to go to benefit the whole. A banana traveling thousands of miles to be eaten in a bowl of cereal is not good. It takes VERY large amounts of fuel to get that produce to it's destination. Local is better for the environment...but not necessarily for the individual. But i am with you and try to choose local every chance i get.
If you shop at a grocery store that does not say where the produce comes from...maybe a good idea to find another, if there are options.

[stinkyattic]

If you use Avid or Floramite (last-ditch mite control systemics) do NOT apply them less than a month before harvest!!! I cannot stress enoguh. Also remember that floramite was designed for the commercial rose industry and is NOT labelled for food crop use! Jsut be aware...

Try pyrethrin foggers and bombs too. They are very safe and actually quite effective.

[GreenLeaf420]

Like I said I am not anti Organic!!!!!


I think sometimes Organics taste better.. W/ Organic no genetic Modification is permitted and if conventional produce is made the same way I really do not see the difference.

You Know That includes cloning?

"CNN:Bottom line: Focus on foods' benefit to your immediate environmen -- i.e. your body -- first. "A good diet means variety, balance, and moderation, regardless of the farming method that produced the food," McHughen says.Organic vs. Conventional Produce"

Organic vs. conventional: What do experts say? - CNN.com

I did read up on Organics quite a bit.. Till there are actual facts I will enjoy both. As far as a terminally ill patient that nothing more can be done for there is always Miracles and hope. You have to keep them going so organics or just eat greens what ever gives them hope is good. in my eyes


Support your Local Farmers!!!

That is from them not me!!!!!

Here are the Facts!!!!

Most shoppers believe organic produce is healthier than conventional, according to recent Boston University studies. Does that notion match the facts? Here is what experts say about key issues.
Is Organic Produce Safer?

Conventional:
Stringent federal regulations make it unlikely that conventional produce, such as apples, harbor harmful pesticide levels by the time they reach consumers. The untreated manure used in organic agriculture contains harmful bacteria (E. coli, for example) that could pose more of a safety threat than conventional produce.
Organic:
Pesticide levels may not be high on conventional produce but their use damages the environment. Most pesticides miss their targets and are dispersed throughout the environment. Conventional farmers actually use more manure than organic farmers.
Conclusion:
At this time, there is no research available to make a clear case that an organic peach or pear or apple is safer than a conventional one. And the USDA says its organic seal is simply confirmation of a method of production, not a safety endorsement.
Does Organic Produce Taste Better?

Conventional:
If you did a blind taste test, people would not be able to tell the difference between an organic apple and a conventional one. Taste is due to chemicals. And the chemical composition of an organic apple and a conventionally grown apple are identical.
Organic:
Most reports of a flavor advantage for organic are anecdotal. Some insist flavor is enhanced in organic produce.
Conclusion:
Taste is subjective. But there is a distinct flavor advantage when produce -- conventional or organic -- is freshly picked.
Is Organic Produce More Nutritious?

Conventional:
Plants have genetic codes that determine much of their nutrient profile. If you analyzed the two in a lab, you most likely would not be able to tell the difference.
Organic:
A handful of controversial studies suggests organic produce may contain more of certain nutrients. But even organic experts admit there are too many factors that influence plant growth to make a case for added nutrition.
Conclusion:
Many organic advocates feel that trying to identify a nutritional difference between the two types of produce is fruitless.
View an Organic Produce Pesticide Chart. This chart tells you what fruits and vegetables contain the most pesticides and which one's have 2 or more pesticides.

[allrollsin21]

OK!!!!]

you claim that study is FACT?

i Can and Do taste differences in Organic and nonOrganic produce. That is my reality, not a study performed by someone else, telling me what i can and cannot taste. Yes it all depends on the millions of environmental factors that go into growing something. It just so happens that the environmental factors growing the organic food i am eating is improving taste? Sure.
This has become redundant. I apologize for repeating myself.
If you believe non organic to not be beneficial to the consumer, than i would suggest you not buy it! It costs more, why waste your money?

[growinforthefuture]

I too am from atlanta, (got out a few years back) and that is indeed beasters, and yes fuck the assholes importing that shit. There may be more growers growing better in BC now then a few years back, but there are still ass holes growing weak ass m-39 with the cheapest nutes they can get that are above miracle grow quality, hell it tastes like they do use miracle grow. i really hate it.
Pictured here is not m-39 however, and is not as bad as what I just described, but it belongs in the same category. That is what they refer to as "sexy beast" and no doubt it goes for $60 / eighth in ATL or $400 a OZ. It does have decent potency but the buds are not ever flushed at all whatsoever. that is the main problem with them, no flushing, just nutes all the way to harvest, and all to squeeze out no more than a gram or 2 per ounce .
I was in ATL for a few weeks last summer and there was midgrade going around for half the price of the beast $50 per 1/8 (lower quality than that pictured here) and with twice the potency. There was also some purps brought in from cali that were absolutley the best purps i have ever had, of course the price was $75 an eighth. but since it was a choice between canadian pesticides, mexican pesticides (even worse) or no pesticides i forked over $75 on several occasions that summer. BTW> If you are from GA why do you have a CA flag on ur thingy there?

[420kushman]

I just moved to the area (ATLANTA) and I am having a hell of a time getting a new connection. I tried to go to downtown but got totally ripped off. Not to mention one of the "guys" we spoke to reached into my car, grabbed a twenty from my hand and ran away.... Nice. Any help would be appriciated.