^^ with tobacco? that doesnt make sence, Bob Marley a known Rasta used to smoke spliffs all the time, and Rastas dont go with tobacco. its dirty to them, and thats what I have heard tobacco with herb joins called "dirty Jays" . BUt I have herd of a mix of herb and tabbaco called dutch Jays too.

The problem with the backwards Jay is your fingers have to be dry. and try not to touch the gum until you have to tuck it when you roll. this leaves alot of the gum on the jay when you have to lick. ANd dont tuck and then lick I tuck and roll over to the point to where it looks like your rolling a regular Jay. Then lick throgh the papers, you just need a little siliva accuracy goes a long way. ANd start off with a Zig Zag or sumthing equivalent it is easier to learn with. How ever the Zags are not the perfered smoking method a thin organic rice paper with organic gum is the best. Rolling with a good paper is the whole thing in rolling a good Jay, those clear cellulose are garbage compared to a nice thin organic Jay.. Harder to roll with even when rolling regular, but the taste is 10 times better than a Zag Jay, 50 times better than a clear Jay.