I gave my Vapor Bros. away, just a hassle to use, I thought ... IF you can cough up an extra $50, get the 'Herbalaire' ... herbalAire - Smokeless Herbal Vaporizer ... it's $250, and is pretty much the same as a Volcano ... can be used with or without the bag, and is VERY well-constructed, no 'cheapo' gear :thumbsup: