Quote Originally Posted by texas grass
Mr. Clandestine from everything i have ever been told by, baptist, cathloc, and preacher from bible belt all said, if you dont beleive exactly the text of the bible or the word of god you arnt allowed into heaven
Hey Tex,

I understand that Baptist pastors and Catholic priests can sometimes be a little too zealous for their own good, and they're also in a position that requires continued fellowship from their patrons. This, I'm sure, is why they may try to stretch the words of the Bible to suit their sermons. But the Bible doesn't teach that Zionist affirmation is the key to salvation, but rather by faith in Jesus only. We're saved by Grace, not by whose side we're on in the whole Zionist occupation in Israel.

In my earlier response, I threw in that if you believe what the Bible (or Qu'ran) has to say about the matter, then you'd believe that Israel was given to the Jewish people as a covenant between the descendants of Abraham and his son, Isaac. Even the Muslims understand this. But the debacle is now that Islam feels it has become the rightful owner of the lands for two reasons; one, inheritance through 'jihad', or "holy war." Two, to lay claims to the lands of Mecca. But even so, they believe that God gave Israel to the Jews, and are just now wanting to go against Gods will to fulfill their desires of turning Jerusalem into an entirely Islamic population. (Which is the supposed outcome of their 'jihad'.)

But, again, as a Christian, you don't have to side with Israel OR the acts of violence she has committed in the past. After all, this is going against what Jesus preached to his Jewish disciples, when preaching about peace and forgiveness. There's a BIG difference in blindly siding with them and their war efforts, and admitting that the lands were promised to the Jews by God. Remember, Islam once thought the same thing, too. The war isn't with Israel and Palestine, but rather with Israel and Islam. From my Christian standpoint, Israel is still an unrepentant nation, and if the Bible is true, this is still displeasing to God. Hence the reason for the continuing turmoil in the region. Sadly, unless Islam as a collective whole can stop making death-threats towards Israel, then Israel will always feel the need to retaliate against any foreign aggressors, including Palestine... their next-door neighbors.

But, nevertheless, you can still be a Christian and you CAN still enter into Gods good graces and NOT be supportive of Israel's military campaign. I am, and I'm not supportive of the killings. I think what your pastors and priests were trying to tell you was that if you deny the pact made between God and the Jews, then you might as well just deny the rest of the Bible, as the Bible is the infallible Word of God. You can still accept that pact, and denounce the atrocities being committed by the Israeli military without contradicting what's written in the Bible.

Take care. :jointsmile:
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