Quote Originally Posted by texas grass
most people here blindly support israel because the bible said to or you go to hell
That just plain isn't true. There's only one prerequisite that must be ignored in order for someone to die the second death, and be eternally separated from God. And it has nothing to do with Israel. If you were to believe in the Bible, you'd also believe in the New Covenant that Christ made during the last supper:

"...Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, "Take, eat; this is my body." And then he took the cup and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink from it, all of you; for this is my blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sin. But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I will drink it new with you in my father's kingdom." (Matthew 25:26-29)

In introducing this 'New Covenant', Jesus was referencing what was said in Jeremiah:

 "The time is coming," declares the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their forefathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt(Ten Commandments), because they broke my covenant, though I was a husband to them," declares the Lord.

"This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after that time," declares the Lord. "I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will a man teach his neighbor, or a man his brother, saying, 'Know the Lord,' because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest," declares the Lord. For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more." (Jeremiah 31:31-34)

The land of Israel doesn't belong to Israel, or Palestine for that matter, rather it belongs to God. If you're not a God-fearing person, then you can debate endlessly who is the rightful owner of the lands. That was also predicted in the Bible. If you believe the Bible, or the Qu'ran for that matter, then you'd also know that the land of Israel wasn't promised to Issac AND Ishmael... but rather Issac alone, through Abram (or Abraham):

"Abraham said to God, "Oh that Ishmael might live before You!' But God said 'No, but Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant for his descendants after him'" (Genesis 17:18-19).

Even the Qu'ran teaches that God blessed the Jewish people and exalted them about all nations:

We gave him Isaac and Jacob and bestowed on his descendants prophethood and the Book. We gave him his reward in this life, and in the life to come he shall dwell among the righteous. (Qu'ran/Sura XXI - The Prophets)

The claims of the Qu'ran that state now that "Mecca" belongs to Islam are contradictions of themselves, going back on original scriptures and claiming that the Jews no longer deserve the land because of disagreements amongst themselves. Forgive me for not looking up the exact Sura, but trust me, it's there. You can find it yourself if you'll just take the time to look.

Seeing that Islam plagiarized nearly all of their holiest of scriptures directly from Judaeo-Christian teachings - and then instead of omitting the contradictory scriptures, just let the contradictions stand - I say if anyone is entitled to the land based on the premise of faith, then it still belongs to the Jews. Even the most devout Muslims won't dispute this. They'll merely reiterate that Israel has, in fact, attacked and killed Arab Muslims, and their "holy war" entitles them to the land in its entirety. I don't agree with the killing on either side, and pray that it will stop. I've seen the atrocities committed by both sides, and it's not pretty. So much needless suffering, and all over a piece of land that both parties agreed was supposed to have been bestowed upon Isaac and Jacob.

Israel, after thousands of years of warfare and warring factions, doesn't belong to the Jews OR Muslims, but rather to God. But in terms of sovereignty, Israel belongs to the Jews. If you care to dispute that, then you could make the claim that it belongs to Britain. It wasn't "stolen" from Palestine, rather it was "acquired" just as many other lands have been in the past. If Israel should be forced to give back their lands under whatever premise a person can think of, then every other sovereign nation who has gained their independence through bloodshed should also do the same.

That's my Christian perspective. And you'd be foolish to call it "blind support" of Israel, seeing that Israel is NOT a Christian nation... yet.
Mr. Clandestine Reviewed by Mr. Clandestine on . Isreal or Palestine? Hey folks. Well I've read and watched a lot of stuff on what the whole conflict is over there and after watching it my opinion changed. I used to be in full fledged support for Isreal and really scorned Palestine but upon careful analysis I've come to the conclusion that both Palestine and Isreal are horrible. I'm not going to go into details as to why because I wanna leave this up for discussion but I was just wondering if everyone else on this forum strongly support Isreal just as much as Rating: 5