I'm not here to piss people off, even though it might seem like it. I admit that I got off to a bit of a bad start but that's because I didn't word one of my first sentences in a way I really wanted to. What's done is done and I can't fix that now.

Rusty writes:
"But, let me get this straight. To overcome a couple of minor problems, all he has to do is change everything from technique to nutes...?"

First off, his pics don't look like minor problems. I think the plants can recover, but right now it looks like they're starting to die. The reason for this is probably what you wrote about, the frequent foliar fert issue. I agree with your diagnosis. But I didn't specifically say "change everything." I see where you're coming from though. Please understand that what I'm suggesting isn't much of a change. If a grower already grows in soil, what I'm suggesting is to put the fert in the soil before the plant, using a certain kind and in a certain amount, then seeing the results. What I'm trying to say is - people have a tendency to be too involved in their grow. There's an impulse to do more to make it better but I suspect that all we need to do is create a situation for plants that mimics nature. Most plants outside don't get foliar feedings. No one checks the pH. Plants depend on all-organic ferts (old dead plant material) to feed themselves. It works.


"Posting your grow techniques in someone elses plant problem post, is likely best done once."

The only way that will work is if Stinkyattic gives me a sticky thread and I don't think she will. What if Jesse didn't see the earlier thread? I wanted Jesse to know there is another way. People use a variety of ways that work, but it seems like the more involved the grower is, the greater the likelihood for problems and that why I started my post above with "this thread is a great example of using powder fert in soil." This method takes out alot of the guesswork. However, if the grow is to be of short duration, it should be understood that chemial ferts might be better, as the dissolve quickly in water and become available to the roots just as fast. Powders require time for bacteria to break them down. That's why the powders tend to come with microbes (bacteria)" to do that work.

"While you are at it tho, would you like to take this opportunity to tell him how to re set-up his growspace, and which strains to grow next, and perhaps get him to change his lighting, too?
I saw what looked like this same manifesto yesterday in another post."

Yes, you did see it. I gave it to someone else, but so what? A person may or may not use the idea as they wish. I'm not twisting anyone's arm to use this idea. But again, it works for me and others, and it will work for you too provided you have time to let the plants grow. I have no intention of telling Jesse to change growspace or anything else, unless of course it looks like a problem. In Jesse's response, he says "thanks" and that he's been chasing problems this grow. I don't know about that, but the foliar feeding is too much. I suspect he can reduce the chasing by putting adequate fert in the soil and leave it be. I don't know why your exaggerating my post. Relax, smoke a bowl, feel mellow....



"Did you copy and paste this from yesterday's post, or did you type this crap all over again here?"

I typed, using my thumbs. :thumbsup:


"In simple, no-nonsense terms...How does what you posted help, with the conditions indicated in JJ's posts? This isn't a re-vamp your technique and change everything forum, it's a troubleshooting forum"

What I posted won't help his current plants. My idea will work only with the potting of fresh plants or repotting small plants into larger containers. That's why in the first paragraph I wrote the following: "Jesse, next time your potting plants, get a box of a fert..." Take another look and see it there. I've used these ferts outside for flowers and they work great. I get exactly the results I was hoping for. I have one rose bush in a large container with more of the powder fert I've written about, and that rose is kicking ass. I can even show a pic if you want to see what I mean. The help from me will come when Jesse pots plants again and follows the recipe. It will work provided it's a grow several months long. It's not my idea to revamp or change everything. All I'm saying is - change this one thing and watch what happens. That's it. Rusty, you could try it too, you know? Just one plant is all it will take. You'll see. But you probably have a good grow as it is, since you know what you're doing.