thanks for the input... i never had pests in my years of canabis growing. i have had aphids and catapillars in my hydro veggies that soap sprays didn't really help. i think its because the veg garden is located near a door to the outside that is open alot. just wondering if there were more options out there. thanks for the tips, might try one of the 'zyme products. what do you guys think of "dyna-gro pro-tekt" ? would this help out? thanks again, you guys rock!!