ok coool that clears alot up thanks stinkyattic. can i ask now another few question? im going with the NL u suggest as it is forgiving on first timers. im planning to make a growroom to house 2 plants (dont want it too stinky i live in a apartment complex). im guessing i should be about 4ft width by 4ft length and from what i hear of NL stats 5ftmax to accomodate, do you think those dimensions r ok? (if the leaves do start touchin the sides does tht effect it bad?). i jus want to check i have everything i need bfore i start and tht i understand the process. obviously its a learning curve and im bound to make mistakes. second question what are the lighting time i need to use? ive ben readin but i cant seem to find out what the hours are prior to switching to 12/12 (which as i understand you do to encourage flowering after the veggie stage..which im not quite sure when to distinguish when that is yet either! is that after i can see pistels? or after i have 5 levels of leaves?) thanks for your help, if you cnt manage to write a reply to every question its cool! a few lines would help out big time cos i can yr clearly a well versed grower!! :thumbsup: