Clinton Joins McCain on Gas-Tax Holiday; Obama Opposes

[eggrole1]

The car you guysa re talking about is the Tzero it is quite old actually tzero - Efficiency

It is fast and efficient, with a stated range of 300 miles on a charge. Really who needs to go more than 300 miles a day? My commute is a little long and I go 50 miles a day total. There is reference to busses in Nepal that are 100% electric and run continuously all day except they are stopped to recharge twice a day for 3 hours. The argument of range is really a nonissue unless you are a long range driver/delivery/etc.

Who Misrepresented the Facts About the Electric Car?
There are some really good points here and it references the documentary "Who Killed The Electric Car?" which is pretty good from what I can remember, but it has been a while since I saw it.

eggrole1 Reviewed by eggrole1 on 05-14-2008. Clinton Joins McCain on Gas-Tax Holiday; Obama Opposes Policy differences between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have been far and few, but a new one emerged on Monday over a proposed gas tax holiday. Obama says heâ??s against while Clinton says sheâ??s in favor, putting her on the same side as John McCain, who proposed such a holiday last week. Gas prices could hit $4 this summer, raising the ire of voters and putting pressure on presidential candidates to promise immediate action. Speaking on Larry King Live on Monday night, Clinton Rating: 5

[kassidy]

I don't think it is going to get any better any time soon. Hard for us now on fixed retirement incomes. But I see where Congress just voted to quit putting 70,000 barrels a day in the Gulf Coast Salt Domes for reserves. And there is a move to get employers to pay for gas to work....

I have mixed emotions about the oil companies because one of them owe me a pension when I turn 65. So in a way I am glad they are making money and my pension is secure..... But most people I know "working people" are struggling these days.

And I just inhereted a part of a pumping oil well in Texas....so I Hope my inheritance from oil....will pay my higher petro cost....so I don't have to give up weed..LOL! WEED OR PETRO is my question. I guess I will walk and ride the bus before I give up my MMJ! :hippy:

[Psycho4Bud]

I don't think it is going to get any better any time soon. Hard for us now on fixed retirement incomes. But I see where Congress just voted to quit putting 70,000 barrels a day in the Gulf Coast Salt Domes for reserves.

The Strategic Petroleum Reserve (SPR) is an emergency petroleum store maintained by the United States Department of Energy.
Strategic Petroleum Reserve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm hoping that Bush hits the big ol' veto button on this one. This reserve is for emergencies. People state that the relief on the gas tax is a waste of time...what good is another 70,000 barrels/day going to be if we have no way of refining it within' our borders?

Let shit hit the roof with one of our major suppliers and we'll find out in a hurry how critical this reserve is.

Have a good one!:s4:

[fishman3811]

Yeah 70,000 per day will do jackshit ...The electric batteries in cars are basicly the same as whats in your computer but larger,litiuaniun batteries (bad spelling) but they only last soo many years before they have to replaced and my guess is that it would be expensive to replace.From what i know about hybrid cars the batteries in them have to be replaced every 5 years at a cost of $4000.00.So the money you save in gas youll have to put into batteries which is a crock of shit and the hybrid cars only get slightly better gas milage i think 40-50 mpg where my car gets 35 mpg

[Mississippi Steve]

Your lucky to have the luxury of driving a fuel efficient car, I have to drive either a truck or a big van to carry tools, equipment and parts to my customers. I did try to get the most fuel efficient truck I could when I bought my Tundra 3 years ago (6 cyl with manual trans). I need to buy another vehicle for personal use, but with the high price of fuel, poor economy, and the rediculous ammount of taxes I have to pay (33%), I just can't afford to buy one. I figure the oil companies have 2 more price increases coming before Memorial Day to bring the price over $4.00/gal for regular.

[JaySin]

The car you guysa re talking about is the Tzero it is quite old actually tzero - Efficiency

It is fast and efficient, with a stated range of 300 miles on a charge. Really who needs to go more than 300 miles a day? My commute is a little long and I go 50 miles a day total. There is reference to busses in Nepal that are 100% electric and run continuously all day except they are stopped to recharge twice a day for 3 hours. The argument of range is really a nonissue unless you are a long range driver/delivery/etc.

Who Misrepresented the Facts About the Electric Car?
There are some really good points here and it references the documentary "Who Killed The Electric Car?" which is pretty good from what I can remember, but it has been a while since I saw it.

The car I was talking is going to be produced for sales but is not out yet. That looks more like a project someone built. Damn, I wish I could remember the name of it...

K, it's a Tesla Roadster.

YouTube - Tesla Roadster Test Drive - 2007 Future in Review Conference

[dragonrider]

The gas tax holiday is a gimmick and wouldn't make much difference --- the government does not need to add more to our national debt to bring us this gimmick just so they can look like they are "doing something." I felt the same way about the "stimulous" tax rebate gimmick. The government borrows money from other governments (mostly the Chinese) so that they can give us cash --- it will come back to us in the form if higher taxes later to pay back the loan plus interest.

Long term, I don't think the oil companies need the subsidies and tax breaks they get. They are making plenty of money without taxpayers adding to their profits. If we are going to sudsidize energy production, it should be in a from that adds to our long-term energy independence and sustainability. Things like solar energy, wind, geothermal, etc. These systems where you pay for the equipment once and then it just makes energy for the cost of maintenance, without any fuels added, are the way to go.

I also like a lot of the technologies that recover fuel from waste, like methane recovery from landfills --- the local garbage company is soon going to add a liquification facility to our local landfill to liquify methane and use it to fuel their fleet of garbage trucks. Waste Mgmt. Plans Landfill Gas-to-Fuel Plant in California | GreenBiz.com And there are methane digesters that take organic waste and ferment it into methane in a controlled way too, rather than just piping it out of the landfill.

There is a company that has a prcess that can turn just about anything organic into oil --- garbage, tires, sewage, slaughterhouse waste. Their pilot program concentrated mostly on slaughterhouse waste, because it has a lot of fat that is already halfway to oil. Here's the Discover magazine articel where i heard about it: Anything Into Oil | Alternative Energy | DISCOVER Magazine Here is the company's website: Changing World Technologies, Inc.

I also like the cars that run on used vegetable oil, or on biodeisel from waste oil. But I'm not as much in favor of the biofuel craze --- grwing agricultural crops for use as biodeisel or ethanol. In the future those might become more benign with technologies to break down cellulose into ethanol, but right now they are not a good environemental tradeoff.

Garbage is a problem, chciken guts are a problem, old used fryer oil is a problem. These technologioes that turn waste into fuels are amazing to me. They solve two problems at once. Now with fossil fuel getting so expensive, these other technologies can finally be economically viable.

[epxroot]

The technology is already out there! You just have to look at who controls the market when it comes to being energy independent.

YouTube - water powered car

YouTube - Stanley Meyer's Water Powered Car - Part 1 of 2

YouTube - Stanley Meyer's Water Powered Car - Part 2 of 2

There are tons of information on this, and yes it is very possible.

[thcbongman]

thcbongman dude there is an electric car that is faster than a brand new Porshe.Its a company in America or France i cant remember but this car is all electric and its fast.

I stand corrected.

Business 2.0: A car that could save the planetâ??fast - May. 5, 2006

[fishman3811]

thcbong yeah brother thats the car,bloody amazing also in the story i saw he was going into production sometime in the near future and making a roadster muscle car that you can drive on any street.But the price was around $80.000 but that will come down in the future as sales go up he said.Way too expensive for me though....