Afghanistan

[zeitgeist]

So since there is nothing to gain from being there I think we should leave it alone and just concentrate on Iraq.
There is nothing in afghanistan, one government will never be able to control it, and well never be able to defeat all of the Taliban and Alqaeda because they just go into Pakistan to hide then come right back when our forces leave.
Plus obviously a two front war never works. We should just concentrate on one thing.
Plus we'll save a shit load of money

Discuss...

zeitgeist Reviewed by zeitgeist on 04-21-2008. Afghanistan So since there is nothing to gain from being there I think we should leave it alone and just concentrate on Iraq. There is nothing in afghanistan, one government will never be able to control it, and well never be able to defeat all of the Taliban and Alqaeda because they just go into Pakistan to hide then come right back when our forces leave. Plus obviously a two front war never works. We should just concentrate on one thing. Plus we'll save a shit load of money Discuss... Rating: 5

[boaz]

^ i think we should concentrate on the province of Bin Ladestan within Pakastan. The Pakastan gov't can't deal seem to deal with them so I say, I would guess we likely are, flying predator drones over the mountains 24/7 all across Bin Ladenland.

[Dutch Pimp]

Afghanistan has been conquered a thousand times in it's history. All the Afghani people do, is wait until the conquistadors fall on their sword and start all over again. They have a very long tradition for this.

[Dream of the iris]

Oh man of course we should stay with Afganistan. For one thing we actually have a justifiable reason for being there and also because they pose more of a threat. Not only do they have more reasources to carry out their diabolical sceames(taliban I mean) if Pakistan were to become the new Iraq or even Afganistan then that would be horrible for us. Iraq has nothing that threatens us except for that its a breeding ground for terrorism...Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Nuff said.

[fishman3811]

Dream i totally agree we should bloody well finnish the job in Afghanistan and do it right...not this B.S OF 60-70 000 TROOPS SEND IN HALF A MILLION keep them there till the taliban is dealt with,and if the taliban want to play the waiting game in the tribal areas of pakistan go in there also because pakistan is willing to take your tax money and thats about all they will do for you....You know its time to stop playing fucking games get the job done right and be done with,or get out of the country but no more bloody games this shit is taking too long and costing too much to fuck around with.....

[Dream of the iris]

nice. We can sort of agree on something for once. But I must say it would be terrible if we just invaded Pakistan. The government wants to get rid of the Taliban just as badly as we do but the problem is that there are a lot of people in Pakistan who are affiliated with the Taliban and the leaders over there are too scared to supress them so they kind of act neutral on the whole thing. If Pakistan let us into their borders then surely the leaders would be heavily prone to execution causing once again another collapsed state. Except this collapsed state would really pose a threat to us. Of course if we just invaded Pakistan without approval not only would we piss off the U.N for violating the international laws but we would ultimately piss Pakistan off. What we need to do is leave temporarily. Get the remaining troops out of Afganistan now give them a break for once. Once the Taliban feel unthreatened by us seeing as how we're no longer there thats when we should come in with a massive force not just with the U.S but with our allies as well. If we moved in fast enough and surrounded the entire country making it difficult to flea then we can just off the ones who retaliate and capture the ones that surrender for intelligence. I know sounds kind of out there but hey one can dream right?

[fishman3811]

Dream thats a good point we could lure the taliban with a false sense of security let them come back full force then send in the troops close the country and trap them all...I know attacking Pakistan would be next to impossible but shit something has to be done this is bullshit already.We cant keep doing what we are doing because we are getting nowhere fast,our troops go into an area then leave then the taliban move back in.Its B.S....wE BUILD a school the taliban blow it up....when is it going to stop??IM 100% sure the afghans dont want the taliban back but they are scared and do u blame them because once we leave the taliban will come back and the people know that...So the Taliban have to be taken care of and fucking pakistan isnt helping out the situation one bloody bit...This whole thing is just FUBARD

[Dream of the iris]

ok ok so how about this. We stradegize with the Afgans to form an nation wide militia, consisting of men women and children. Get our best military scientist on the job to train leaders of different villages. Don't give them uniforms and make the tactics specifically underground and gurilla. Now I know some afgani's will resist the militia but surely enough will join to make a difference. Its either that or they get killed. We should also arm them with sophisticated weapons and teach them good military tactics. The Taliban will leave if we show up but they will come back once we are gone. The thing is the Taliban wouldn't expect peasents to rise up and challenge them and since the afganis are permanent residence there's no issue in leaving like it is with the U.S. It would be tough fight for them but with our help it would at least keep them out of Afganistan....of course then they would retreat to Pakistan and the other surrounding countries....but thats where we come in. Motivate the citizens of Afganistan to rise up against them. Train them and supply them with weapons and then leave. The taliban will come back and fight them and while they are busy fighting thats when we covertly come in with our allies and surround the country so when they finally are getting their asses wooped they will attempt to retreat but will fail.

hmmm this is so stupid it could possibly work. Now the other issue is the fact that there would probably be some that would escape. Those along with Osoma have the power of pursuasion which could allow them to rebuild their army. But by then they would be so weak Pakistan would not be afraid of them anymore and help the U.S weed them out.

[zeitgeist]

Dude, that's not gonna work. What do you think weve been doing this whole time? These tribes couldnt give a rats ass about Afghanistan as a whole. They are just looking out for themselves as theyve done for thousands of years.
Taliban really isnt even the issue. They dont care about attacking the United States. They just want control of Afghanistan and money. Alqaeda is the problem.
There are always going to be terrorists organizations and we will never be able to rid them all. Sometimes its best to just leave some things alone

[Dream of the iris]

ok.....then how about mini nukes?