:jointsmile: oh thanks, this grow and all my others are the same (just 2 - 4 plants) nothing for the eye in the sky to see or anyone for that matter.. wow i am baked had no weed for past couple days, just a fat joint that wasn't even that great.. so i scraped a wooden grinder that i just found and got a big bowl off it, like a major body buzz stone everything going numb peace !:jointsmile: