thanks gtc21 i have like 400 watts of floros thats why i considered in in a standing boxed in cabinet 6ft tall 44" wide 20" deep and am doing 8 plants in that small area and i figured with so little light that the scrogg method would work better for me or would it be ok to grow 8 without the scrogg . they ill be in a tray 36" wide 18" front to back 8" tall full of hydroton is it good enough with the light i have to not scrogg is the question