IRAQ WAR 2002 / IRAN WAR 2008

[Psycho4Bud]

So, does Al-Jazerra know how to translate Iranian or are they also U.S. puppets? Haven't heard of Hamas or Hezbullah making any type of statements to the contrary either.

And since when have our temporary buddies in Russia or China been so kind to either us or Israel?:wtf:

Have a good one!:s4:

[FreshNugz]

There's been plenty of translations, including by those fluent in the regions language, that say something more around the lines of "whipe away the Israeli regime". Not too friendly, but no less than what we're saying over here.
Ahmadinejad wants the territory put back under Muslim control, as a Muslim nation, as it was prior to 1947 (might be a couple years off, memory's rusty on that one).

While I accept that you're making the point of media sensationalizing the situation, I also think that in this case, I'm just glad its not complete fabrication. I mean 'wipe away the Israeli regime'??? Come on! Close enough for me.
He shouldn't be allowed to threaten like that, and one might benefit from placing himself in the shoes of the Israeli who lives there on a daily basis; the constant fear of war, suicide attacks - that region breaks out into war very quickly and very spontaneously. Now, some neighbour of yours, who is capable of carrying out his threats, says he wants to wipe away your regime? I'd feel pretty threatened as well. As naturally occurs in the security dilemma, Israel may of course want to bulk up on arms and create some sort of defense to counter the threat. Therefore, Iran is inciting tension where there is already enough. And he shouldn't be allowed to.

[Gandalf_The_Grey]

While I accept that you're making the point of media sensationalizing the situation, I also think that in this case, I'm just glad its not complete fabrication. I mean 'wipe away the Israeli regime'??? Come on! Close enough for me.
He shouldn't be allowed to threaten like that, and one might benefit from placing himself in the shoes of the Israeli who lives there on a daily basis; the constant fear of war, suicide attacks - that region breaks out into war very quickly and very spontaneously. Now, some neighbour of yours, who is capable of carrying out his threats, says he wants to wipe away your regime? I'd feel pretty threatened as well. As naturally occurs in the security dilemma, Israel may of course want to bulk up on arms and create some sort of defense to counter the threat. Therefore, Iran is inciting tension where there is already enough. And he shouldn't be allowed to.

"Wipe away the regime" and "wipe Israel off the map" are two very different things. We're talking about overthrowing a government vs. turning the holiest place on Earth into a giant glass parking lot. I would absolutely say that distoring his words on such a level is beyond irresponsible. If we go to war, I want it to be on reality and facts, not propaganda that tries to convince us Ahmadinejad is Hitler himself.


Sorry, but I think "he shouldn't be allowed to" is the whole problem. The US government these days thinks it has every right to launch "pre-emptive strikes" (sneak attacks without a declaration of war), invasions of countries like Iraq before evidence of wrong doing has been found, and all rights to constantly threaten countries with war unless they fall into line and comply with hypocritical demands.

Considering this whole deal is because millions of arab muslims were evicted from their own land, had it stolen from them, I don't find it that outrageous that he might demand an occupying regime be removed and the land be given back to it's rightful inhabitants.
It's remarkably common how often Americans get outraged at foreign leaders saying things that are usually on-par with their own leaders' speeches.
The only different is when the president says "The so-and-so's are supporters of terror, and we must remove them from power", the people feel like they're being protected from frightening boogy men that sit at large tables and discuss how to slaughter all of civilization. You think the folk in the Middle East aren't just as scared of America, brought up to believe they're the terrorists with up-to-date guns? Believe me, America has a much more impressive track-record than Iran and the pisspot dictatorships; an important one being when the CIA orchestrated an overthrow of the democratically elected Iranian government in 1953, replacing them with a dictatorship. But that government dared nationalize it's own then-British-owned oil fields, so I guess they had it comin'!


Although.... I could have sworn that all American meddling was for the purpose of freeing oppressed people, bring them freedom and liberty and whatnot... :wtf:

[Nailhead]

I still laugh when people say Iran is a threat, they are only a threat to the countries we buy oil from. lol, like they could ever attack us

[FreshNugz]

well, I agree that nobody should be allowed to, and we should all respect each other's sovereignty...however, nobody right now is going to do anything to change the superpower in the world, which is so obviously America. And until that time, they will do what they please. Never did I say this was good. It's terrible. But what can you or I do? Nothing. The world has to act on that.
And yes, everyone is well aware of the things the CIA does...again, never said I supported that.
So, to the issue at hand. Translation of this infamous phrase.
I'm sorry...but they are close enough for me. You think wiping away the regime means like a peaceful removal of government?? Guess again dude. Don't take it so literal, and assume he means the government. He could mean regime like the entire settlement. And really lets be honest, you think ...that given the weaponry(nuclear or not, it doesnt matter)anyways..you think that if the Iranians had the power to do damage in Israel, that they wouldn't? Think if he held the red trigger to the nuke set in Israel, he wouldn't pull it? Give me a BREAK!!!!!!! He'd salivate at the chance. And the "mistranslation" you speak of ...wipe israel off the map...guess what, over there, it isn't even on the map! Their children grow up without knowledge that it even exists, and are taught many other things about the terrible nature of Jewish culture and heritage. So, raising generations of kids under false historical facts and a skewed version of the way the world came to be...preaching hate...I'm sorry but that's ridiculous. The US can and has done some terrible things, and nobody is denying that...but do they completely fabricate human history in order to precipitate a cycle of xenophobia? No. And look...that land was stolen how long ago!?? Get the hell over it!! Why are they still threatening the Jews? Leave it alone!! Until they grow up and shut up, they deserve everything they're getting. Iran is a terrible place, and its people are in the grasp of a terrible man. Have you forgotten Zarah Kazemi? If so, I'll remind you that she was an Iranian Canadian who took a photograph of Evin prison while on a trip there, and they captured her, tortured her, raped her, and then killed her. Then, they refused to return the body, and refused negotiation with the Canadian government, refused details, etc. There have been several cases identical to hers as well. Maybe her memory might jog some sentiment into you that defending the Iranian government is beyond shameful.
You want to defend what they do because they lost some land a long time ago?? Ridiculous.

[Psycho4Bud]

Ahmadinejad wants the territory put back under Muslim control, as a Muslim nation, as it was prior to 1947 (might be a couple years off, memory's rusty on that one).

So once again how back far into history do we go on this? Just as far back as Muslim control or futher into others?

Who has controlled the Middle East over the course of history? Pretty much everyone. Egyptians, Turks, Jews, Romans, Arabs, Persians, Europeans...the list goes on. Who will control the Middle East today?
Imperial History of the Middle East

WOW, 1050 B.C. it was the Israel Empire.......so where on this map does it state Palestinian Empire, or state, or country...etc... Using your logic it seems that the damn Palestinians are trying to steal the Jewish lands.

Have a good one!:s4:

[boaz]

"the people would revolt faster than Texans under Communist rule."

:rastasmoke: I know a few Texans so bet that would be pretty damn quick. :jointsmile:

[fishman3811]

EH P4B dont you care about the troo0ps in iraq ??because if your idiot president were to attack iran then you can say goodbye to your troops in iraq...iran has missilies can can wipe you out

[Psycho4Bud]

iran has missilies can can wipe you out

Missiles huh? I guess we should get a few of them some day then.

Hope ya never bet on sports my friend.....seems that you always back the wrong side.

Have a good one!:s4:

[Reefer Rogue]

I don't think a war with Iran will happen, if it does though a lot more american blood will be lost, they will be a much more formidable force then iraq. Though i believe america could eventually edge it, it won't be easy and it won't be fast.